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JonLP24

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124. What is it I'm looking for...? False equivalence?

Mon Mar 23, 2015, 09:22 PM

Mar 2015

Federal funding cut off in what ways? State governments can create their own laws but law enforcement chooses to enforce really isn't their choice but certainly can apply an amount of discretion. Banks have been very scared by threats from the federal government to be careful in doing business with them which they were remarkably less afraid when it came to cartels drug money. Just odd.

Anyways, there was private security industry that sprang up protecting the transactions moving the drugs, moving the money, providing protection. I'm pretty sure they found a credit union or somebody to handle the financing aspects so the money is in a safe place & handled electronically.

But it isn't the same thing regarding what could be used regarding many examples. Oh, providing federal funding for unemployment benefits or affecting federal unemployment laws or extentions effectively by cutting off the money.

The gun & vehicle difference training & regulation begins with a good point that eventually falls of the rails if you take it further but I did see the point but I don't see the hypocrisy you seem to be implying.

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Arizona Secession From The Union Could Be Reality Soon [View all] TheMastersNemesis Mar 2015 OP

Jail the frigging traitors. seriously, wtf? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #1

Are you also calling to "jail the frigging traitors" SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #34

Since the folks in arizona don't want to enforce ANY federal laws, not just marijuana laws, it's ND-Dem Mar 2015 #65

I'm sure you have the link SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #67

did you even read the op? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #70

but i'm sure you have a link to support your claim that states don't have to enforce federal law, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #71

Pointing out incorrect information SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #74

"enforce" in this case meaning "do the background checks".... = limited meaning of "enforce". ND-Dem Mar 2015 #78

As much as you want to believe it SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #81

define "enforce" and define which laws. Printz establishes no such broad right of non-enforcement. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #84

you're playing a very obvious game here, of false equivalency CreekDog Mar 2015 #127

Yes I did SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #72

There is so much out there you can find JonLP24 Mar 2015 #117

I can't say I'm too interested in laws that were passed in 2011 & 2013 n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #123

Yes I did SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #72

i found the gun bill plus one you missed. reported on the same day. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #75

Thank you for finding that SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #76

is it? you know that because Printz exempted states from doing background checks? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #80

Why isn't Colorado forced to enforce federal marijuana laws? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #82

why don't you give me a link about this issue instead of constantly repeating the claim? since ND-Dem Mar 2015 #85

I gave you links SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #86

I didn't see any. Please link me to where you gave me links and I 'dismissed' them. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #113

You responded but you didn't see the links? SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #114

No, I didn't see the link about marijuana tucked away at the bottom, sorry. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #131

So the federal courts & docket is that open to them? JonLP24 Mar 2015 #118

I don't care if the marijuana laws are enforced or not SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #122

What is it I'm looking for...? False equivalence? JonLP24 Mar 2015 #124

Your unrelated comments notwithstanding SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #125

It is funding not enforcing JonLP24 Mar 2015 #135

Of course you are free to say it's wrong in Arizona SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #137

We'll have to agree to disagree JonLP24 Mar 2015 #138

And that's all Arizona is doing SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #139

I'm very sick of the Arizona Republican legislature JonLP24 Mar 2015 #116

Who cares, shut off all federal aid and military installations and suspend all military contracts Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #88

In Arizona or Colorado? SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #90

See #65 Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #92

I already read that nonsensical response SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #102

#65 fits you Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #103

I so love it SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #104

See #65 Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #109

I think your record is scratched n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #110

See #65 Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #111

Congress controls all funding. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #91

Coming from you that's actually funny. Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #93

Perhaps you can explain how funding would be cut from AZ once Congress allocates funds. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #94

I know precisely how its done, I am an accountant for a Govt. Agency. Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #97

Is that a threat or a promise???!!! elleng Mar 2015 #2

We Could Stop Paying Everyone's Medicare & Social Security In Arizona. TheMastersNemesis Mar 2015 #4

How do "we" do that? onenote Mar 2015 #36

Does the DOD have any federal military bases in Arizona and Texas and all these other traitorous TheDebbieDee Mar 2015 #3

Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson, AZ android fan Mar 2015 #27

The repugs in the Arizona legis. have gone nuts, Tucson has always voted blue . . . brush Mar 2015 #31

Yep, I lived and worked in Tucson for a year android fan Mar 2015 #32

Grijalva is always a good progressive voice brush Mar 2015 #35

Tucson and how much hatred I have over their sports teams JonLP24 Mar 2015 #120

coordinate with Congress? You realize who controls Congress, right? onenote Mar 2015 #38

Several. GoCubsGo Mar 2015 #44

You would think that having all those astronauts in Texas TheDebbieDee Mar 2015 #146

1861 worked so well for so many irisblue Mar 2015 #5

No, actually it couldn't. MineralMan Mar 2015 #6

Maybe So But We Have Enough Fools Who Would Arrest Federal Agents. TheMastersNemesis Mar 2015 #9

We? Who are we? MineralMan Mar 2015 #10

It is a trip their willing to make JonLP24 Mar 2015 #121

You notice the OP does not link to any such laws. former9thward Mar 2015 #19

Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #40

Secessionist & Nullification Rhetoric Is Dangerous And A Threat To Our Our National Security. TheMastersNemesis Mar 2015 #7

What do you propose? former9thward Mar 2015 #20

If it was me, I'd throw them into a mental institution immediately android fan Mar 2015 #28

Always nice to hear reasonable thought out answers. former9thward Mar 2015 #58

Hmmmm, do they get water fredamae Mar 2015 #8

They'd have to renegotiate for Colorado River water XemaSab Mar 2015 #107

Federal Funds going to Arizona MineralMan Mar 2015 #11

Yep. See how the idiot paradise of theirs help with zero federal dollars pouring android fan Mar 2015 #29

Which "idiot paradise" do you live in? panader0 Mar 2015 #56

Good, let them go and take a few other states with them. leftofcool Mar 2015 #12

That would be fantastic for tourism Politicalboi Mar 2015 #13

We used to be a Republic and that worked for ten years. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #23

Mexico will take it back - exactly! Destroy your government, another one will take its place! n/t freshwest Mar 2015 #89

No Congressional Representation PADemD Mar 2015 #14

Woot! Jane Austin Mar 2015 #15

And all federal pork cut off android fan Mar 2015 #30

Under what statutory authority would this laughable vendetta over a non-existent issue be executed? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #49

That would be the SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #50

For all the ginned-up outrage over AZ not enforcing laws a lot of people in this thread Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #52

+1000 n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #53

Yay! shenmue Mar 2015 #16

Bzzzt. Not a frickin' chance. absurd. ridiculous. cali Mar 2015 #17

Seriously... I hope the OP can get a grip. panader0 Mar 2015 #54

Nah. Just wait for the crazy old white people to die off. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #18

Hopefully they crazies will be voted out elias49 Mar 2015 #22

Also, no more Snowbirds ... retirees from the cold north spending the winter in the sun. n/t libdem4life Mar 2015 #21

A friends's brother retired from Ford 7 yrs. ago, lived in Detroit 40 yrs, native NYer. Splits time appalachiablue Mar 2015 #140

Now we know where to put the radioactive waste. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #24

+++ 1,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #77

They already do JonLP24 Mar 2015 #136

Yay! Now I'll be able to get those rocket launchers my dad would never get me for XMAS Zorra Mar 2015 #25

The Second Civil War has been going on for awhile dixiegrrrrl Mar 2015 #26

There is a huge difference SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #33

No it won't, but your hyperbole is entertaining. onenote Mar 2015 #37

perhaps a state should be allowed to try this Takket Mar 2015 #39

It would be worth it just to be able to tell Arizonans "Papers, please." :) nt pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #41

It's not secession and tariffs between states is unconstitutional. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #43

Any state that has legalized MJ in any capacity is not enforcing federal law. It's not secession. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #42

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #45

Blah blah blah, federal law supersedes state law. They can act like the simpletons they are, but lonestarnot Mar 2015 #46

And states don't have to enforce federal laws n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #47

They also cannot dismiss themselves from the Union. Rex Mar 2015 #61

Arizona isn't dismissing themselves from the union SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #62

Exactly, that is why the OP saying they are seceding is ludicrous. Rex Mar 2015 #63

Agree SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #64

Selective enforcement is against the law. lonestarnot Mar 2015 #133

This isn't selective enforcement SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #134

Your post eluded to selective enforcement or non-enforcement of federal laws by states... lonestarnot Mar 2015 #141

Sorry, but you're wrong SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #142

Arizona isn't alone. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #48

Destabilization would be a concern if this escalated towards reality HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #57

Gee, seccession worked so good th first time around. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #51

No laws are being nullified SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #60

as the following link will show, Arizona receives guillaumeb Mar 2015 #55

Passing this law is not secession SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #59

true. my comment is meant to show guillaumeb Mar 2015 #66

Promises, promises. Also: twaddle. Hekate Mar 2015 #68

No. It won't. H2O Man Mar 2015 #69

can i help pack? Colorado Vince Mar 2015 #79

What a False Karass! DeSwiss Mar 2015 #83

Does that mean that we get rid of McCain? AnnieBW Mar 2015 #87

There is a Parrot in this thread who keeps repeating States don't have to enforce federal law... trumad Mar 2015 #95

"Federal law can be enforced by the Fed if the feel inclined to do so." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #96

send in the 101st airborne just like Ike did in Little Rock. CTyankee Mar 2015 #98

Nothing illegal is happening. The OP is just peddling hyperbole. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #99

right, but if AZ tries to secede...what then? there was a war last time some folks did that. CTyankee Mar 2015 #100

The OP is the only one mentioning secession SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #106

AZ could also be carved from the earth and taken away by aliens...what then? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #112

Well no fucking duh! SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #105

If it passes & Brewer signs it the federal government should immediately stop all federal money to catbyte Mar 2015 #101

Are you in favor of stopping federal money SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #108

yes catbyte Mar 2015 #130

Brewer is no longer the governor thelordofhell Mar 2015 #129

I seriously doubt it JonLP24 Mar 2015 #115

I'm sure that will help their water problems. L0oniX Mar 2015 #119

You just can't spell crazy Nac Mac Feegle Mar 2015 #126

cut 'em loose - but no more medicare and no more SS and no more federal dollars - n/t lapfog_1 Mar 2015 #128

The south has always wanted the Articles of Confederation Warpy Mar 2015 #132

We do? News to me. cordelia Mar 2015 #144

Why do you think it was called the Confederacy? Warpy Mar 2015 #145

Has it been 24 business hours yet? onenote Mar 2015 #143

No state will secede. Calm down. Throd Mar 2015 #147