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NanceGreggs

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60. Anyone who thinks ...

Mon Mar 23, 2015, 10:31 PM

Mar 2015

... that Obama "didn't know" that his hand would be smacked down by Republicans every time he extended it is truly naive.

You don't go from being a community organizer to the first black POTUS by being stupid, or unaware of what to expect from the other side of the aisle.

It would (or should) be obvious that saying, "I won't reach across the aisle because I KNOW they won't cooperate" is meaningless. To actually DO IT and be rebuffed, over and again, proves the point - and leaves no room for speculation as to what "might have happened" had the president only tried to find common ground with the GOP.

Obama is a lawyer - and every lawyer knows you never ask a question that you don't already know the answer to. And Obama never offered anything to the GOP without knowing ahead of time how the GOP would react, and without knowing that their reaction would prove that their opposition to his every move was based on obstruction for its own sake, without any regard whatsoever for the good of the country.

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I have met Obama, [View all] ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2015 OP

One acronym: TPP. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #1

THATS WHAT I AM TALKIN ABOUT! I have seen 11'th dimension Chess player before. TTP? Vincardog Mar 2015 #2

Yes, of course. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #8

So you agree the TTP is a vile instrument of destruction of America's Sovereignty and agree Vincardog Mar 2015 #9

Well, unlike you ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #10

That's a good idea, wait until it's "finalized" and ready to sign before you read it. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #13

Until it IS finalized ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #14

TPP is catnip for most DUers. yallerdawg Mar 2015 #19

and once it *is* finalized, it's too damn late to do anything about it. obama's ND-Dem Mar 2015 #20

We can cook popcorn. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #33

You got that right. 840high Mar 2015 #54

Okey-dokey, ND-Dem. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #59

No, until we READ it and actually know what is in it. whathehell Mar 2015 #98

US Senators are not allowed to see it in it's current form Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #24

Any opinion to offer ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #25

Like when he didn't prosecute Wall St? Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #28

Sorry, OS ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #36

What changing the subject? Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #41

The topic being discussed ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #46

Simple answer: His Wall St buddies Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #47

Ya know ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #50

I gave you a choice of answers Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #52

"What is so great about this deal for the US ..." NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #53

23 SENATORS SEND LETTER TO PRESIDENT ASKING THAT TPP “KEEP FAITH WITH AMERICAN WORKERS” Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #55

You still haven't explained ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #57

I said he might be getting sold a bill of its goods from friends he trusts Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #58

Anyone who thinks ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #60

But they are in complete agreement on TPP Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #61

Well, that's probably because ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #62

Because he is dead wrong and doesn't get that!!! Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #63

So he's about to destroy his own legacy ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #64

I'm up from my nap Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #93

"Can you find a single R raising a red flag like the D's are doing?" ND-Dem Mar 2015 #67

Where did I say ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #68

So your repetitious talk of his concern over his "legacy" doesn't mean that? What exactly is ND-Dem Mar 2015 #70

Obama's legacy ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #71

You keep asking why he'd want to destroy his legacy. That suggests you think he's ND-Dem Mar 2015 #74

Oh, fer fuck's sake ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #75

that's all you can do, because your position is illogical. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #84

Yeah, that must be the source of my frustration. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #86

here, let me copy it again, maybe you'll get it. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #87

Perhaps the word "concern" is the problem. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #90

Traitors, or idiots? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #77

IF you think TPP is great Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #88

I hate the TPP MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #89

Well, you just keep waiting. I'm sure we'll all eat well on Obama's "legacy," regardless ND-Dem Mar 2015 #69

Oh, puke. This obtuse act is ridiculous. Marr Mar 2015 #95

Names, addresses and secret emails! NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #96

His motive is irrelevant whathehell Mar 2015 #99

If his "fans" are "unquestioning" ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #102

They aren't. They've already concluded his motives to be 100% pure, and are now whathehell Mar 2015 #107

Uh, nice try ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #108

LOL..Sorry, but when your only argument in favor of the deal whathehell Mar 2015 #123

.... 840high Mar 2015 #56

Can you tell us what that motivation is? ASK PBO. Vincardog Mar 2015 #29

Uh, no ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #35

How disingenuous of you not to believe me unless I can provide "a link to the finalized version of Vincardog Mar 2015 #38

How disingenious of you ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #51

One strong hint is buried in the fine print of the closely guarded draft Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #39

I'm not talking about any final version ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #42

You trust the POTUS Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #44

In case you haven't noticed ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #48

Reply # 47 Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #49

Keep in mind that such leaks are often trial balloons, so it is essential to pop them fast when they tblue37 Mar 2015 #73

no, no, just trust our dreamy prez and wait for the final draft. say some. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #85

Maybe Obama should invite EVERYONE to the White House and hold a jamboree Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #34

So is Elizabeth Warren naive, or treacherous? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #76

Why do you ask? NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #78

Because she thinks the TPP is a disaster. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #79

The fact that you think ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #80

Sorry, I misunderstood you! MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #81

I said that exactly where? n/t NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #82

??? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #83

Yes, you seem to be. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #92

Of course not. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #94

Still awaiting your answer MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #100

So far ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #103

"So, in your opinion, is it reasonable, or unreasonable, to form a strong opinion..." MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #104

In my opinion? NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #106

What was Bill Clinton's motivation for NAFTA? Same. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #112

You are fantastic on social issues!!!!! stillwaiting Mar 2015 #101

+1,000 Nance Hekate Mar 2015 #17

Et tu, hekate? NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #22

I know, right? mcar Mar 2015 #26

I feel like such an idiot! NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #30

That's because your hand is on my knee!!! Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #31

I thought we'd agreed years ago ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #37

It's like an old Carol Burnett skit . . . Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #43

Long con mcar Mar 2015 #40

+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #45

TPP isn't secret anymore thanks to wiki-leaks Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #109

"Leaks" are "leaks" ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #110

The FULL TPP text Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #111

Still a "draft", isn't it? NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #113

You work in this field and don't get it???? Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #114

These types of treaties are always done behind closed doors. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #115

Your not answering the BIG question Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #116

My coworkers don't hold themselves out ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #117

STILL can't answer WHY it has to stay secret for FOUR years can you Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #118

You're quoting from what? NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #119

A "draft" that may have been discarded years ago? Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #120

Anyone can put any date as a header on any document. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #121

Head in the sand Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #122

So what you're saying is that you looked in his eyes and knew he was doing great? Fearless Mar 2015 #3

Hey, I saw Kenya from his eyes. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2015 #4

I agree that taking a firm stand is preferable to compromising away our goals. Fearless Mar 2015 #5

Two thinks. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2015 #12

Of course, that is EXACTLY what the OP said! NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #15

It was a joke, my dear. Fearless Mar 2015 #65

If it was a joke ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #66

No harm done. Fearless Mar 2015 #72

He is who we picked treestar Mar 2015 #6

Aye, matey. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2015 #7

We did extremely well ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #11

I have as well. Raine1967 Mar 2015 #16

KnR Hekate Mar 2015 #18

Your "4." is what improved the version to 2.0 fadedrose Mar 2015 #21

I still SEETHE at the mess that one Debbie whatawaste Schultz hath created. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2015 #23

Dean did very well. He should still be there fadedrose Mar 2015 #27

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #32

Now that he can't actually DO anything, he's can claim to want all sorts of things, yes. Marr Mar 2015 #91

President Obama oldlib2 Mar 2015 #97

I would substitute "doing okay" for "doing great," but otherwise I mostly agree with you. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #105