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Fumesucker

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69. People a lot smarter than I am seem to think a true AI is highly likely

Mon Mar 23, 2015, 11:32 PM

Mar 2015

I don't believe there is anything ultimately mysterious and unsolvable about the human brain and how it creates consciousness and sapience.

I would say at the moment that true AI is more inevitable than Hillary being sworn in as POTUS early in 2017.

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Steve Wozniak: The Future of AI Is 'Scary and Very Bad for People' [View all] madville Mar 2015 OP

"Real stupidity will beat artificial intelligence every time." hifiguy Mar 2015 #1

Or as I was going to say rock Mar 2015 #128

Basically we go 'Star Trek' with basic income gaurantee or 'Soilent Green' with capitalism as it kelly1mm Mar 2015 #2

That's the real question. AI is a threat to human society as it is currently structured Xithras Mar 2015 #16

Democratic Socialist here. Socialism and communism cannot become KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #124

You may be refering to the Ferengi and their quest for Gold Pressed Latinum. Fun Fact: The kelly1mm Mar 2015 #135

'Star Trek' with basic income gaurantee or 'Soilent Green' with capitalism as it" workinclasszero Mar 2015 #94

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #126

it already happens. PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #3

It is, and many humans already function as organic robots in the system controlled by silicon, later RKP5637 Mar 2015 #34

We all do to some non-minor extent PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #77

Yep, quite true, most of us dwell in the algorithmic ruts of life! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #88

The Matrix Newest Reality Mar 2015 #4

This piece was written 22 years ago... Fumesucker Mar 2015 #5

I believe the biggest threat to humans is their laziness... Blanks Mar 2015 #6

I think the bigger risk is that the new dominant lifeform lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #7

Yep, humans, an inferior byproduct of an extraterrestrial experiment to populate a spinning ball of RKP5637 Mar 2015 #37

there are protections in place PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #9

Do you understand what cloud computing is? WestCoastLib Mar 2015 #17

No, I don't know diddly squat about it... Blanks Mar 2015 #25

I think you missed the point entirely Xipe Totec Mar 2015 #76

We have much more to fear from humans... Blanks Mar 2015 #90

Yes, a significant EMP "if" data is unprotected. As someone else said, redundancy is key. Many RKP5637 Mar 2015 #39

If the data is secured/protected... Blanks Mar 2015 #60

Quite true, core data would be intact, but peripheral access would be destroyed/limited. RKP5637 Mar 2015 #65

You mean they haven't made smart guns yet? Jamastiene Mar 2015 #57

Your vehicle probably has an electronic ignition. eom Blanks Mar 2015 #91

Simple electronic ignitions are fairly rugged. hunter Mar 2015 #139

There are old fashioned non electronic ways around that. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #146

Forget the cars, how about the trucks and trains workinclasszero Mar 2015 #97

That's what I'm saying... Blanks Mar 2015 #105

Oh yes you are right. Just look at what happens in Florida when hurricane warnings go up workinclasszero Mar 2015 #108

Trust our poets to teach us the deeper truths. In this case, KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #134

"In a panic, they try to pull the plug" bvar22 Mar 2015 #8

Who's to say it hasn't happened? Octafish Mar 2015 #10

I'm gonna start pronouncing it "pee-nee-yak" to sound like ENIAC and UNIVAC. nt bananas Mar 2015 #112

Beep! Beep! Beep! Beep! PEENIAC! Octafish Mar 2015 #141

Who is to say it's not happening now? seveneyes Mar 2015 #11

Yeesh MFrohike Mar 2015 #12

Agreed. Science fiction is...um, fiction. randome Mar 2015 #14

AI is not science fiction. Xithras Mar 2015 #19

If you say so MFrohike Mar 2015 #20

Is it your position that consciousness is impossible to be understood? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #24

No MFrohike Mar 2015 #35

Are you sure that consciousness is necessary for sentience? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #46

Are you sure that's relevant? MFrohike Mar 2015 #48

Interesting you should mention Chimpanzees... Fumesucker Mar 2015 #59

Not surprised MFrohike Mar 2015 #63

People a lot smarter than I am seem to think a true AI is highly likely Fumesucker Mar 2015 #69

I agree with MFrohike, for what it is worth. bemildred Mar 2015 #119

"eat you or not as the situation requires" Fumesucker Mar 2015 #131

Definitely not. bemildred Mar 2015 #133

Yup... this. TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2015 #142

Why do you think this excerpt supports your point? Just curious, just wanted to see ND-Dem Mar 2015 #79

There was a quote from one of the researchers in the last line of the piece.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #83

That is an interesting point, about the general superiority of our unconscious minds. bemildred Mar 2015 #120

Well a lack of one would make something they'd have in common with sociopaths more specifically JonLP24 Mar 2015 #78

Yep. Productivity growth is actually fairly low at the moment, yet people are talking about the Chathamization Mar 2015 #23

At some point AI will be more powerful than humans. No doubt about it. And robots will.... Logical Mar 2015 #32

Prove that MFrohike Mar 2015 #36

LOL, So you want examples where humans have under calculated.... Logical Mar 2015 #58

No MFrohike Mar 2015 #62

Prove its not! LOL! nt Logical Mar 2015 #72

Yeah, about that MFrohike Mar 2015 #81

will humans land on mars? nt Logical Mar 2015 #106

Where'd the goalposts go? MFrohike Mar 2015 #109

Will people land on Mars? Scared to answer? Know what Mars is?? Logical Mar 2015 #110

Heh MFrohike Mar 2015 #137

LOL, so unless you have 100% proof, you don't believe anything might happen...... Logical Mar 2015 #138

This is kind of funny, in a sad way MFrohike Mar 2015 #143

Another conversation you must have...... Logical Mar 2015 #147

You really don't get it, do you? MFrohike Mar 2015 #148

LOL, I think I am....... Logical Mar 2015 #149

Cool story MFrohike Mar 2015 #150

Now you're just sounding really silly..... Logical Mar 2015 #151

Heh MFrohike Mar 2015 #152

How can you think it will not happen? It had advanced constantly! Like my question to..... Logical Mar 2015 #153

Hoo boy MFrohike Mar 2015 #154

Once again..... Logical Mar 2015 #155

Your LHC example MFrohike Mar 2015 #156

You said Logical Mar 2015 #157

Easy, killer MFrohike Mar 2015 #158

LOL, still no answer? Why ask me if I want to continue? If you want to quit just say so. Slowly..... Logical Mar 2015 #159

One question MFrohike Mar 2015 #160

So you claim you do not think at some point AI will reach a point that it is like.... Logical Mar 2015 #161

I made a claim? MFrohike Mar 2015 #162

Where did you pick up "happen soon"? Another reading problem? I am.... Logical Mar 2015 #163

Details MFrohike Mar 2015 #164

Your initial attack of my prediction was for what? You think..... Logical Mar 2015 #165

snooze MFrohike Mar 2015 #166

Who in the hell asks for proof of a technology prediction with no end date? I guess only you! You... Logical Mar 2015 #167

I'm "clueless" MFrohike Mar 2015 #168

I didn't read your post, but, simple, even for you.....Two Questions..... Logical Mar 2015 #169

I'm done being the bigger fool MFrohike Mar 2015 #170

Two Questions..... Logical Mar 2015 #171

I'm a biological machine of some sort and I'm fine with that. hunter Mar 2015 #172

"At some point"...true, and at some point the sun will be gone. "In the long run we're all dead."N/T Chathamization Mar 2015 #45

We already use computers to design chips that we couldn't think of for ourselves. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #51

will the robots have opposable thumbs? snooper2 Mar 2015 #92

Only when it becomes self aware. Initech Mar 2015 #13

+++ 1,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #41

A machine with enough power could pursue whatever goals it was given FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #101

The Philosophical Zombie Apocalypse bananas Mar 2015 #113

The philosophical zombie/hard problem idea is supernatural mumbo-jumbo Chathamization Mar 2015 #123

Simple solution fadedrose Mar 2015 #15

+10. Absolutely. Always works like a charm. I hope.. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #30

Fearing machines killing us is the same as fearing Aliens killing us WestCoastLib Mar 2015 #18

I wouldn't be so sure, your smartphone is far more sophisticated than a Star Trek communicator Fumesucker Mar 2015 #27

Rec this post... TeeYiYi Mar 2015 #47

I have to admit, the thought of having an intelligent conversation with AI Jamastiene Mar 2015 #56

I kind of suspect that is what drives a lot of DUers to come here.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #61

I talk to myself as it is, so Jamastiene Mar 2015 #67

Except Siri is not thinking Egnever Mar 2015 #96

Ever had a conversation about politics with a Teabagger? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #98

Point taken. Egnever Mar 2015 #100

How do we know you are not an Artificial Intelligence messing with us??? Hmmmmm??? hunter Mar 2015 #68

... nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #118

Three of your last four sentences are almost surely true. FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #102

Great. No fucking flying car but we skip right to slave to evil computers. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2015 #21

+1 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #38

AeroMobil has working prototypes and says they'll have one on the market by 2017, actually Electric Monk Mar 2015 #42

There's a comic strip that deals with this. Archae Mar 2015 #22

That's cool. Thanks for the link. hunter Mar 2015 #29

I for one welcome our new droid overlords tularetom Mar 2015 #26

I already live in a society that is 'Scary and Very Bad for People' hunter Mar 2015 #28

The project is mostly complete at this point. Welcome to the Cybernetic Civilization. GliderGuider Mar 2015 #31

What does this say about collapse? joshcryer Mar 2015 #44

Nothing. It just points out where we are right now. nt GliderGuider Mar 2015 #82

The collapse of the Roman Empire took ~150 years GliderGuider Mar 2015 #84

He is 100% correct. nt Logical Mar 2015 #33

It's evolution, baby! yallerdawg Mar 2015 #40

I don't see the problem. joshcryer Mar 2015 #43

Technological change is accelerating and the rate of change is accelerating Fumesucker Mar 2015 #49

Yeah, but everyone thinks it's bad. joshcryer Mar 2015 #52

Do you have children? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #54

Nephews and nieces. joshcryer Mar 2015 #55

I'm not sure I'll see a true AI in my lifetime but my kids more than likely will.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #64

Most pressing issue is self-driving cars and automation. joshcryer Mar 2015 #71

I tend to agree with Musk... Fumesucker Mar 2015 #73

The problem is the US government is reactionary. joshcryer Mar 2015 #75

We're still struggling with modeling the 302 neurons of C Elegans. We're not going to get to the Chathamization Mar 2015 #70

Your Mesopotamian illustration actually isn't far off. Hosnon Mar 2015 #125

Just have William Shatner talk to it until it commits suicide. eShirl Mar 2015 #50

If we at least get a decent android (not the OS) that can cook for us Jamastiene Mar 2015 #53

Our only hope is ai RobertEarl Mar 2015 #66

Great point.... if weren't already too late. Duppers Mar 2015 #107

It would certainly be interested to the evolution biology side of things JonLP24 Mar 2015 #74

As a retired software engineer with a stong interest in AI Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #80

It sounds just like the story of controlled fusion power... GliderGuider Mar 2015 #85

Um, fusion is coming baby! snooper2 Mar 2015 #93

Cool! Get back to me in 10 years, mkay? nt GliderGuider Mar 2015 #104

You won't be laughing in ten years, buddy. Orrex Mar 2015 #86

Part of the reason why these predictions are so silly is because we don't even understand the brain Chathamization Mar 2015 #111

The problem with AI is specificity. Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #115

Or even the flexibility of a mouse, something still far beyond our grasp Chathamization Mar 2015 #122

On the other hand, there might not be any "there" in intelligence. hunter Mar 2015 #132

+1. nt bemildred Mar 2015 #121

K&R DeSwiss Mar 2015 #87

I think back to 20 years ago, to 1995 or thereabouts. Trillo Mar 2015 #89

Not just 'Big Corporate' interests. We all contributed. randome Mar 2015 #95

One of the reasons I stay on DU, it's fairly low bandwidth and my connection isn't always quick Fumesucker Mar 2015 #99

I understand. Trillo Mar 2015 #103

What if these future AI robots JonLP24 Mar 2015 #114

I expect this is marketing for the upcoming Avengers sequel. Marr Mar 2015 #116

Well worth the risk. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #117

Like there's a choice. nt The2ndWheel Mar 2015 #130

I'm actually looking forward to retirement. stone space Mar 2015 #127

Climate change is scarier, it's happening now, and it's worse for people than AI Auggie Mar 2015 #129

I love Woz, but he's a bit wonky. So is Ray. DirkGently Mar 2015 #136

I fundamentally disagree with your assertions about "consciousness." hunter Mar 2015 #140

Consciousness is just memory? DirkGently Mar 2015 #144

That's not what I said. hunter Mar 2015 #145