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(114,904 posts) Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:51 AM Mar 2015

Is a male nurse worth $5,148 more than a female nurse? [View all]

Stark illustration of the wage gap.

For nurses, it pays to be a man.

Registered nurses who are male earn nearly $11,000 more per year than RNs who are female, new research shows. Only about half of that difference can be explained by factors like education, work experience and clinical specialty.

That leaves a $5,148 salary gap that effectively discriminates against women, who make up the vast majority of the nursing workforce, according to a study published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Assn.

Approximately 2.5 million women — and the families they support — are being shortchanged by the gender-based pay difference, say the researchers who conducted the study.

“Given the large numbers of women employed in nursing, gender pay differences affect a sizable part of the population,” said study leader Ulrike Muench, a nurse practitioner with a PhD from Yale who studies nursing, health policy and health care economics at UC San Francisco.

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http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-male-nurses-make-more-than-women-20150323-story.html

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Is a male nurse worth $5,148 more than a female nurse? [View all] cali Mar 2015 OP

Male nurses are great, fun to work with and all of that. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #1

I'd like to know if there is a difference in average hours. Blue Meany Mar 2015 #21

Would it be possible to compare the hourly rate for males and females in the same "classification"? SwissTony Mar 2015 #22

Again, I will just copy and paste my reply below: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #26

We have a union and pay is in the open AllyCat Mar 2015 #45

That is a good argument for a unionized workforce. n/t Cerridwen Mar 2015 #47

Yes, and it's pretty common. I'd like to know where the numbers come from. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #134

All too often the gap exists even when everything is exactly the same: SheilaT Mar 2015 #23

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #50

All female nurses I know catrose Mar 2015 #87

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #136

I'm just going to copy and paste my post below: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #25

the study was limited to nurses working 35 or more hours per week CreekDog Mar 2015 #37

I don't know about that. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #39

No, it isn't in this case. Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #65

Thanks! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #66

Actually, they don't mention hours worked econoclast Mar 2015 #78

It's listed at the link to the study which was included in the article: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #84

The first page of the JAMA article mentions work hours explicitly as a controlled factor. n/t Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #85

Men do not tend to work more hours than women at every profession uponit7771 Mar 2015 #48

In my experience, men don't work more hours than women at all. SharonAnn Mar 2015 #126

Unfortunately TM99 Mar 2015 #127

Not in every profession... There's no research that says that uponit7771 Mar 2015 #135

Which is equally true for the claim TM99 Mar 2015 #145

I've worked with great ones, mediocre and crap male nurses. Female nurses too. uppityperson Mar 2015 #131

I'd work my first year for minimum if anybody is ever willing to hire me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #2

I went to a Women's Leadership Conference kiva Mar 2015 #3

i heard an MRA argue to pay male teachers more to draw them into the field since it was too seabeyond Mar 2015 #4

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #19

No, and HELL no. n/t whathehell Mar 2015 #5

NO niyad Mar 2015 #6

Is this a side-by-side comparison of male and female nurses at the same facilities? Orrex Mar 2015 #7

Seven sentences into the story and we come across this LanternWaste Mar 2015 #8

Rhetorical question is rhetorical Orrex Mar 2015 #10

survey ended in 2008. 30,000 RNs all Am. citizens? or does survey include foreign visa RNs? Sunlei Mar 2015 #143

Yes. From the link in the OP: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #9

That's what I needed--thanks. Orrex Mar 2015 #11

There's probably a methodological report out there somewhere. Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #71

Where I worked pay was by job IBEWVET Mar 2015 #12

Nope. nt City Lights Mar 2015 #13

It's not right! I don't look for this congress to address this problem anytime in the near future! B Calm Mar 2015 #14

maybe they have been working longer strawberries Mar 2015 #15

See post #9. n/t Cerridwen Mar 2015 #16

no heaven05 Mar 2015 #17

If they're better, yes. closeupready Mar 2015 #18

Good point strawberries Mar 2015 #67

The study controlled for those factors. spooky3 Mar 2015 #70

You didn't even read the excerpts posted here- they explain that your bettyellen Mar 2015 #73

until I know who "they" are strawberries Mar 2015 #89

Ha ha- you think employers are going to get themselves sued by advertising different salaries for bettyellen Mar 2015 #109

Penises don't come cheap. Except on certain street corners. nt valerief Mar 2015 #20

lol nt strawberries Mar 2015 #91

What the article describes has been against the law since 1964. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #24

Again, I'm just going to copy and paste my reply #9: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #28

Did you know that left-handed college educated men make 15% more than right handed ones? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #30

And are WAY over-represented in terms of those who occupied the Oval Office - closeupready Mar 2015 #32

disgusting and so predictable. cali Mar 2015 #79

The left-hand right-hand salary survey has the same fundamental limitation as the one in the op lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #93

That's not what the data says. DanTex Mar 2015 #31

Yes. I question the improbable. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #36

There doesn't have to be an industry-wide conspiracy. DanTex Mar 2015 #40

You're not going to convince that guy... trumad Mar 2015 #81

if only it was limited to that CreekDog Mar 2015 #88

Your collection of bookmarks labeled "enemies of CD" must be impressive. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #96

No, I don't have any threads bookmarked CreekDog Mar 2015 #97

It seems like you question anything that shows that women are treated unfairly CreekDog Mar 2015 #43

no kiddling. ALWAYS. cali Mar 2015 #82

And I mean always... trumad Mar 2015 #83

the question is: why is that OK on DU? cali Mar 2015 #86

If you find disagreement intolerable, there's always ignore. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #94

there are maybe 5 on DU... trumad Mar 2015 #95

Except when he says women have the advantage CreekDog Mar 2015 #122

Because guys buy us drinks, lol! What more could we want? bettyellen Mar 2015 #128

Everything! Never fails! smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #121

Yes there is an industry wide conspiracy and who cares about a law that no one will enforce? uponit7771 Mar 2015 #55

Yep! And the Ledbetter act is toothless. bettyellen Mar 2015 #75

so basically you're saying that women are supposed to be paid less than men CreekDog Mar 2015 #35

Do you have any experience building things other than strawmen? n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #38

didnt you argue, that male teachers should be offered more than women teachers, seabeyond Mar 2015 #42

I wonder if l_j would agree that all teachers should be paid more AllyCat Mar 2015 #54

The president just promised $240 million to encourage women to become engineers. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #99

then you do advocate men get paid a higher wage in teaching than women teachers. seabeyond Mar 2015 #100

No. Care to reciprocate by answering my question? n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #108

yes, but the President didn't pledge $240 million to pay female engineers more than men CreekDog Mar 2015 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #115

at least you didn't ask if I had a learning disability this time CreekDog Mar 2015 #44

That question has been answered to my satisfaction. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #60

to your "satisfaction"? CreekDog Mar 2015 #80

Does Occam's razor suggest that men never break the law? kcr Mar 2015 #51

Does Occam's razor suggest that nursing supervisors are men? n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #58

Occam's Razor seems to suggest you're reaching to the point of irrational absurdity. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #101

What does it matter what gender the supervisors are? kcr Mar 2015 #105

Then whom did you have in mind when you said "men breaking the law"? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #112

Now why would I have had men in mind at that time during that conversation with you? kcr Mar 2015 #123

"Does Occam's razor suggest that men never break the law?" lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #124

It isn't the context of the thread. kcr Mar 2015 #144

I think if you discovered that there were more pens on average on female desks CreekDog Mar 2015 #111

Projection. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #113

What you've written over the years is a pretty good guide to what you will write CreekDog Mar 2015 #114

I do often say the same things. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #116

I'm following the dialogue to the letter, and then providing context CreekDog Mar 2015 #117

I don't mind you linking to my posts at all. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #118

No, I hope they read what you've posted and see it for what it is CreekDog Mar 2015 #120

Or even simpler than those factors is people are breaking the law & no one is going to hold them ... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #57

Ha ha ha. And no one at walks, smokes pot or cheats on taxesin this fantasy world where bettyellen Mar 2015 #130

Follow the money matt819 Mar 2015 #27

Most nursing administration jobs are held by women TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #106

I am a retired F RN Runningdawg Mar 2015 #29

Note the inherit irony in the fact that those that defend or deny the wage gap Maedhros Mar 2015 #102

Yes, absolutely!!!! MADem Mar 2015 #33

No. hamsterjill Mar 2015 #34

+1000 BeanMusical Mar 2015 #52

Agreed. It is simply appalling that it is true in a profession treestar Mar 2015 #69

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #137

How was data analyzed? Telcontar Mar 2015 #41

In case you can't read the article which answers your question, (edited) Cerridwen Mar 2015 #56

Most our male nurses are in management positions. ileus Mar 2015 #46

Also accounted for in the study. Link from article in OP: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #76

well that explains it then! CreekDog Mar 2015 #98

Nope. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #49

My husband is a nurse Beaverhausen Mar 2015 #53

I wonder if the standardized pay scale was incorporated over the years this study looked at. tammywammy Mar 2015 #72

The only reason I can think of where they outperform women nurses is Cleita Mar 2015 #59

... or women overall are paid less because people who do the hiring can pay them less. There's no uponit7771 Mar 2015 #61

Sure they should get equal pay. That wasn't my point. Cleita Mar 2015 #63

I agree, there are few if any categories the male nurses should get paid more uponit7771 Mar 2015 #140

no samsingh Mar 2015 #62

I work in health care and there is a pro-male bias. ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #64

Wait - are you arguing that if men are required to physically lift in situations where women AREN'T, closeupready Mar 2015 #77

On paper everyone has the same job description. ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #133

In which case, they might well be paying them more. alarimer Mar 2015 #104

Exactly my point above TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #107

Only if his name is Gaylord Focker (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #68

I'm trying to find a photo of Harvey Korman as a nurse... joeybee12 Mar 2015 #74

No. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #90

Absolutely not. nt LittleBlue Mar 2015 #92

I'm thinking of being a male nurse Prism Mar 2015 #103

looks like this happened to a friend JI7 Mar 2015 #119

I think ALL nurses are worth it! raven mad Mar 2015 #125

Why are women putting up with this shit. Start filing or something! lonestarnot Mar 2015 #129

Can't, no emperical proof even at a granular level and the judges are mostly male too so... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #139

Due to supply...yes WestCoastLib Mar 2015 #132

There's few if any that a male nurse can do that a female cant with the right tools... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #138

No, but I'm curious how much the gap closes if we had paid maternity leave and some TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #141

The question is why these numbers look like this. Personally I think that it involves craigmatic Mar 2015 #142