Overreaching: Politics is one thing. Espionage is quite another.

[Savannahmann]

14. Oh FFS.

Seriously? Ok, let's make sure I understand the scandal here. The problem is not the spying. Since our defense during the Snowden document dump was that everyone does it. So we can't really complain about Israel spying on us. Especially since we found out by spying on them.

What we are complaining about is that Israel told Congress. Because Congress isn't supposed to know what the Administration is doing. Now, how the hell do we square that with the complaints of a decade ago from Democrats about how awful it was that the Republicans in Congress were not conducting oversight of the Bush Cabal? We only believe in Oversight when their guy is in the White House? Do you realize how hypocritical that makes us look? Well, others do and they aren't all that supportive of the argument. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/28/white-house-cia_n_6064114.html

In fact, it was pretty well known here that the Democrats when they took control of Congress were finally going to give the Bush Cabal the oversight they had lacked. From the old DU site by a user known as ProSense back in the day.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x692481

It wasn't just the CIA either. It was a complaint about wide ranging lack of oversight.

TABLE OF CONTENTS
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY..................................................................................................................1
I. MANIPULATION OF IRAQ INTELLIGENCE...............................................................................2
II. TREATMENT OF DETAINEES.............................................................................................5
III. LEAK OF A COVERT CIA AGENT’S STATUS........................................................................7
IV. AWARD OF HALLIBURTON CONTRACTS ...........................................................................9
V. WHITE HOUSE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE KATRINA RESPONSE ..............................................10
VI. SECRET NSA WIRETAPS .....................................................................................11
VII. VICE PRESIDENT’S ENERGY TASK FORCE...................................................................12
VIII. WITHHOLDING OF MEDICARE COST ESTIMATES ..........................................................13
IX. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AT MULTIPLE FEDERAL AGENCIES AND THE WHITE HOUSE.................14
X. POLITICIZATION OF THE FEDERAL SCIENCE-BASED AGENCIES ..........................................15
XI. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ENFORCEMENT OF VOTING RIGHTS LAWS ........................................16
XII. CONTRACT ABUSES AT THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY ................................17
XIII. INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AT EPA ....................................................................18
XIV. INFLUENCE OF TOBACCO INDUSTRY LOBBYISTS ON U.S. TOBACCO POLICIES .....................19
XV. FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT’S CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISING ACTIVITIES.............19

If we're going to pretend that Congress learning anything that the Administration doesn't want them to know is a bad thing, can we at least go back and delete all of our complaints about lack of oversight and the complaints of secrecy in the Bush years?

http://www.dpc.senate.gov/dpcdoc.cfm?doc_name=fs-110-2-173

Because this is getting to be our pattern. We do what we objected the other guys were doing. At best Democrats look like opportunistic weasels, at worst hypocritical asses. I'm tired of losing the propaganda battle to the damned Republicans. Now when our side goes out and tries to explain why this is wrong, what are the chances that the RW won't point out the hypocrisy of our current position versus our previous position on similar issues?

Congress not knowing what a Republican is up to. Bad, very bad. Congress not knowing what a Democratic administration is doing, good, very good.