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In reply to the discussion: I keep seeing this term, "False Flag," and not just from far-right nutcases. [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,214 posts)23. The CIA planted bombs in Iran in the 1950s and blamed them on communists
But a copy of the agency's secret history of the 1953 coup has surfaced, revealing the inner workings of a plot that set the stage for the Islamic revolution in 1979, and for a generation of anti-American hatred in one of the Middle East's most powerful countries.
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The history says agency officers orchestrating the Iran coup worked directly with royalist Iranian military officers, handpicked the prime minister's replacement, sent a stream of envoys to bolster the shah's courage, directed a campaign of bombings by Iranians posing as members of the Communist Party, and planted articles and editorial cartoons in newspapers.
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The shah was a problem from the start. The plan called for him to stand fast as the C.I.A. stirred up popular unrest and then, as the country lurched toward chaos, to issue royal decrees dismissing Dr. Mossadegh and appointing General Zahedi prime minister.
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In early August, the C.I.A. stepped up the pressure. Iranian operatives pretending to be Communists threatened Muslim leaders with ''savage punishment if they opposed Mossadegh,'' seeking to stir anti-Communist sentiment in the religious community.
In addition, the secret history says, the house of at least one prominent Muslim was bombed by C.I.A. agents posing as Communists. It does not say whether anyone was hurt in this attack.
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Mr. Roosevelt (Kermit, grandson of Teddy) told the shah ''that failure to act could lead only to a Communist Iran or to a second Korea.''
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/16/world/secrets-history-cia-iran-special-report-plot-convulsed-iran-53-79.html?src=pm&pagewanted=1
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The history says agency officers orchestrating the Iran coup worked directly with royalist Iranian military officers, handpicked the prime minister's replacement, sent a stream of envoys to bolster the shah's courage, directed a campaign of bombings by Iranians posing as members of the Communist Party, and planted articles and editorial cartoons in newspapers.
...
The shah was a problem from the start. The plan called for him to stand fast as the C.I.A. stirred up popular unrest and then, as the country lurched toward chaos, to issue royal decrees dismissing Dr. Mossadegh and appointing General Zahedi prime minister.
...
In early August, the C.I.A. stepped up the pressure. Iranian operatives pretending to be Communists threatened Muslim leaders with ''savage punishment if they opposed Mossadegh,'' seeking to stir anti-Communist sentiment in the religious community.
In addition, the secret history says, the house of at least one prominent Muslim was bombed by C.I.A. agents posing as Communists. It does not say whether anyone was hurt in this attack.
...
Mr. Roosevelt (Kermit, grandson of Teddy) told the shah ''that failure to act could lead only to a Communist Iran or to a second Korea.''
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/16/world/secrets-history-cia-iran-special-report-plot-convulsed-iran-53-79.html?src=pm&pagewanted=1
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I keep seeing this term, "False Flag," and not just from far-right nutcases. [View all]
Archae
Mar 2015
OP
Anything intellectually inconvenient is a false flag. Get with the times. nt
Dreamer Tatum
Mar 2015
#1
It certainly be nice if there was actually any evidence that they did act on some of them.
hack89
Mar 2015
#12
Because of course such things would be thoroughly, vigorously investigated by corporate media!
villager
Mar 2015
#15
So to be clear: In your world, we have the complete, absolute truth about everything our miliary
villager
Mar 2015
#25
Gulf of Tonkin did not happen like the government said. It was also not a false flag
hack89
Mar 2015
#40
That's fine. But the fact that they *do* happen -- on our side -- is very problematic
villager
Mar 2015
#44
Raising a dismissed plan, among the many they have, does not advance your argument
jberryhill
Mar 2015
#28
You are free to think that an organization that conceived of "Northwoods" entirely reformed itself
villager
Mar 2015
#29
The point being -- we don't even know the full extent of contemporaneous plans during *that* era
villager
Mar 2015
#38
I'm not a conspiracy theory fan. But the Gulf of Tonkin incident may qualify.
stevenleser
Mar 2015
#5
Several False Flag operations have been documented. Actually, 9-11 is a sort of example.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2015
#7
Taking political advantage of an unanticipated event is nowhere close to being a false flag
hack89
Mar 2015
#16
And the unpublished scuttlebutt was the Jews were warned to leave their offices in the WTC
hack89
Mar 2015
#24
"What does that have to do with ... ?". Nothing. But worshippers of only officially government
GoneFishin
Mar 2015
#58
Not sure about "11 planes", but records clear that 2 planes had passengers unwilling to leave. LINK:
NYC_SKP
Mar 2015
#59
If you realize that some humans in the world will lie, cheat, steal, kill, and commit others crimes
GoneFishin
Mar 2015
#8
You hit on what is really the underlying point which is that dishonest people can concoct extremely
GoneFishin
Mar 2015
#48
The CIA planted bombs in Iran in the 1950s and blamed them on communists
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2015
#23
Brooks Brother riot, with Republican staffers posing as irate Florida voters
suffragette
Mar 2015
#46