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111. Tribalism? (nt)

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Tue Mar 24, 2015, 02:06 PM

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Rangel: Reinstate the draft; create war tax [View all] Panich52 Mar 2015 OP

And draft the 47 Senators who signed that stupid Tom Cotton letter to Iran. muntrv Mar 2015 #1

Nice thought atreides1 Mar 2015 #2

No draft. Send your own kids, Mr. Rangle. stone space Mar 2015 #3

I think you're missing his point.The tiniest number of families in US history is feeling the pain... Hekate Mar 2015 #97

A Korean War vet, Rangel is old enough to have been drafted. nt alp227 Mar 2015 #99

Draft members of Rangel's family FIRST. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #4

He's a Korean War vet w/a Bronze Star, V for valor. Demit Mar 2015 #5

Then let him register his own family members for this draft he wants. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #6

He's trying to make a point about how easily we go to war. Too bad you missed it. Demit Mar 2015 #7

Maybe he should just make the point in a forthright way then. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #9

I'd say the point is a pretty bald one. Demit Mar 2015 #22

Call me crazy but I think the best way to oppose a war is by opposing war, not by suggesting new Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #42

And the best way to fuel opposition for war truebluegreen Mar 2015 #59

Drone strikes on wedding parties in US cities would have the same effect. stone space Mar 2015 #62

Silly wabbit. truebluegreen Mar 2015 #63

In the same universe that kidnapping and military slavery... stone space Mar 2015 #65

Just out of curiosity truebluegreen Mar 2015 #71

No. Do you see Freedom as Military Slavery? (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #72

Nope. truebluegreen Mar 2015 #73

Then why go after my children and grandchildren? stone space Mar 2015 #107

Hyperbole much? truebluegreen Mar 2015 #108

You mean my children and grandchildren wouldn't be drafted? stone space Mar 2015 #109

Interesting. truebluegreen Mar 2015 #110

Tribalism? (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #111

Trying to make a point on the backs of our children and grandchildren. stone space Mar 2015 #11

Hear, hear! Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #69

are you sure military leaders don't want a draft? demigoddess Mar 2015 #28

Nobody is stopping Mr. Rangle from going. stone space Mar 2015 #14

You don't understand what Rengel is trying to do. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #17

I understand exactly what he's doing. greytdemocrat Mar 2015 #50

I think he is trying to make a point strawberries Mar 2015 #24

My children and grandchildren are not availabe for... stone space Mar 2015 #26

It's called a "bluff" Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #34

I think it's the latter, for sure. cleanhippie Mar 2015 #66

And bluffs are sometimes "called". cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #77

Somewhere, somehow, a pony might fly. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #78

But everybody's child doesn't go Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #70

There is always that small % who can get out of it strawberries Mar 2015 #79

Ragel's position increases the cost and risk of being a warmonger. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #25

You obviously miss the point. nt Logical Mar 2015 #92

Like I miss a headache. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #94

Rangel doesn't have children. nt alp227 Mar 2015 #100

No nieces or nephews? Cousins with children or grandchildren? n/t cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #105

Otherwise known as "the how to lose the youth vote act". n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #8

Fuck a draft. Ban contractors. Ban armed drones. Slash recruiting budgets. Raise recruiting TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #10

And keep the freak'n war cost of war ON THE PUBLIC BOOKS where everyone can see it! HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #27

Time for a prayer. stone space Mar 2015 #12

Yes to a war tax, no to a draft. former9thward Mar 2015 #13

It Would Have To Be HYPER Progressive In Its Design ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #16

Nope. former9thward Mar 2015 #19

How is War in our interest? stone space Mar 2015 #52

That's exactly his point... Lancero Mar 2015 #64

99% from the 1%, and 1% from the 99%. stone space Mar 2015 #51

I agree-War Tax oldlib2 Mar 2015 #58

Had the children of the upper-middle and upper class been subject to KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #15

I agree. As I note below, however, I am not sure such a law would ever be passed. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #20

Yep gratuitous Mar 2015 #32

The problem is that our children and grandchildren are not turds. stone space Mar 2015 #33

All due respect, but is this country and what it stands for worth defending? If so, then why should KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #36

With all due respect, keep your filthy grubby paws... stone space Mar 2015 #45

Lol. Your poutrage is hilarious cleanhippie Mar 2015 #67

They can fight their own God damn wars. stone space Mar 2015 #68

Yeah! Fuck those fucking fuckers, Amirite? cleanhippie Mar 2015 #74

Really? gratuitous Mar 2015 #43

No, we'll fight back, and we'll win. stone space Mar 2015 #46

You probably should copy your post here and make it a reply to the OP also, such is KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #49

That's because your "point(s)" involve the kidnapping... stone space Mar 2015 #54

If anyone has a sense of privilege and entitlement here, it is you with your KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #55

Do you understand the meaning of the word "NO"? stone space Mar 2015 #56

Do we live in a republic? If so, please prove that you understand the KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #84

Defending the Republic? Get the fuck out of here, what do our wars have to do with that? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #87

Was World War II worth fighting? We had conscription then and I think most would KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #88

We have had PLENTY of wars, actions, and conflicts they are not all justified by WWII. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #89

The argument actually should reach back to include World War I. During World War I we also KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #90

History including American history is full of wars of choice and conscription TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #91

Well, the Union practiced conscription during the Civil War. Given your screen name, not KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #93

Your assertion is not supported by history or any actual data. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #95

Before resorting to insult and ad hominem attack, you might wish to review KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #96

Apparently you don't know what either of those things mean and if you think people TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #113

What evidence supports that having a draft prevents or speeds up the ending of wars? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #75

The logic is from inference, not from evidence. To wit, when the Rockefellers', KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #82

Why? When has this dynamic ever been in place and what .ages you think TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #86

Agree about the tax. Problem with the draft is that the privileged will get out of the draft. stevenleser Mar 2015 #18

I agree completely, Steve. If rich kids are ever drafted, Oneironaut Mar 2015 #23

Or, make the government pay dearly. Oneironaut Mar 2015 #21

Bringing the war home. stone space Mar 2015 #30

Charlie's been on this draft thing for years. KamaAina Mar 2015 #29

Fuck that shit !!! SamKnause Mar 2015 #31

So I take it you have no qualms about the so-called 'poverty draft' then? (By way KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #37

My daughters are not availavle to turn into another Specialist England. stone space Mar 2015 #47

Draft Megan McCain! Dawson Leery Mar 2015 #35

War tax. That's worthy of a conversation. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #38

Rangel's Perennial Soap Box Routine 2banon Mar 2015 #39

I think the draft excited a lot of opposition to the Vietnam War. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #41

True enough, but as we all know, all of our protesting/demonstrating had absolutely no impact 2banon Mar 2015 #44

I think having a draft would be a good corrective to warmongering. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #40

We would have a personal stake in overthrowing the Democratic Party... stone space Mar 2015 #48

What's truly sad... 99Forever Mar 2015 #53

+1 truebluegreen Mar 2015 #60

Is there some war requiring a draft??? otherwise STFU. ileus Mar 2015 #57

How to do a fair War Tax. stone space Mar 2015 #61

We have a representative form of government, you want all the perks but none of the CK_John Mar 2015 #81

How am I a "typical dead beat"? stone space Mar 2015 #106

But shouldn't the tax be placed on war profiteers? They're the ones who benefit valerief Mar 2015 #76

Every war (not sure about 1812) has had some sort of draft, its an an obligation to society. CK_John Mar 2015 #80

I think universal military conscription began with Napoleon Bonaparte (The French call it KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #83

I kind of have to agree treestar Mar 2015 #85

Charlie Rangel is trying to get people to Pay Attention, that's all Hekate Mar 2015 #98

So richie rich can buy his kid an opt out. Hugh ugh. lonestarnot Mar 2015 #101

Can someone name a war that a draft has put an end to? Scootaloo Mar 2015 #102

Reinstitute slavery. Draft young people into the army and don't pay them. pampango Mar 2015 #103

+1000 Yes, yes, yes, yes n/t Hotler Mar 2015 #104

He can pry my kids from my cold dead hands. n/t dilby Mar 2015 #112