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MADem

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31. If either Iran or Iraq had possessed a suitcase nuke during the I/I War, I've no doubt
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 03:08 PM
Mar 2015

that they would have used it. That war ground on forEVER, because neither side wanted to give in.

So yeah, they were suicidal, both sides. If you remember, Saddam Hussein used gas in the Kurdish regions which led to an accusation that he "gassed his own people." Well, he was a Tikriti, not a Kurd (they have a separate nationalistic identity themselves), and he was aiming (badly, not taking into account the wind) at the IRANIANS who occupied the area in and around Halabja, where those thousands of poor people died. His goal was to kill Persians, not Kurds.

Iran for their part threw young boys at the front lines with nothing but a prayer and a "So long, farewell." Poorly trained, poorly equipped cannon fodder. Khomeini did this even after the geographical borders were "back to normal" and Saddam petitioned for a truce. He just wouldn't stop, wouldn't back down--he wanted to unseat Saddam and as a consequence, he threw thirty thousand or more kids at the front lines to try and realize this ambition. He failed. But he sure as hell did try.

The current leadership of Iran, particularly since Ahmadinejad has shuffled offstage, is certainly slightly less insane than the era of the Ayatollah Khomeini, but really, when you look at the Supreme Leader and the Guardian Council, only just. The right circumstances could raise their ire once again and I wouldn't be comfortable at all saying "Oh, they'd NEVER..." when they just might, if adequately provoked.

That cat is more like a tired old lion! MADem Mar 2015 #1
White South Africa was terrified of Soviet supported black communist opposition... hunter Mar 2015 #8
I seem to recall that Israel and SA were working together on the whole nuke thing for a bit... MADem Mar 2015 #12
There's lot's of speculation they collaborated on testing... hunter Mar 2015 #14
Ah yes...but wait...there's more! MADem Mar 2015 #15
Everyone knew and acted accordingly, like Pakistan as unofficial members of the nuke club freshwest Mar 2015 #18
Ain't that the truth...! MADem Mar 2015 #25
Decided to combine laughing and going crazy. *maniacal laughter* freshwest Mar 2015 #35
Wordt kept secret in the world... joeybee12 Mar 2015 #2
Interesting timing.... peacebird Mar 2015 #3
Well, duh libodem Mar 2015 #4
I'm sure we'll demand inspections and slap sanctions on Israel if it refuses. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #5
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise Mar 2015 #13
Then what are they worried about treestar Mar 2015 #6
MAD only works when all parties are not suicidal seveneyes Mar 2015 #9
Iran is not suicidal. hunter Mar 2015 #16
Oh, they're nationalistic in Iran, make no mistake--as are many nations. MADem Mar 2015 #26
On a much smaller scale, the Protestants and Catholics had the same sort of conflict in N. Ireland hunter Mar 2015 #29
If either Iran or Iraq had possessed a suitcase nuke during the I/I War, I've no doubt MADem Mar 2015 #31
True. But TEOTWAWKI isn't TEOTW. People forget the caveat there. freshwest Mar 2015 #17
I know that's the Israeli argument treestar Mar 2015 #22
I really don't know for sure seveneyes Mar 2015 #24
Just a few million dead bodies and a radioactive landscape, I suppose. Just sayin' freshwest Mar 2015 #19
The whole thing is pointless treestar Mar 2015 #20
Still gonna be a lot of caterwauling over the fence, though. Let's just keep it there. n/t freshwest Mar 2015 #23
MAD assumes rational actors jberryhill Mar 2015 #28
No nation can be trusted with Nukes. Not a single one. Sooner or later someone who has them will sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #30
Israel's nukes were about as secret hifiguy Mar 2015 #7
The "Western Bloc" trade in nuclear weapons technology... hunter Mar 2015 #10
Veils and Pretend Positions are dropping all over..be careful what you wish for. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #11
Israel's new status: Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #21
OMG! Convene Congress for another AUMF! Scamble the bombers! Bibi has 24 hours to get outa town! leveymg Mar 2015 #27
No pic....hotlinking notice... MADem Mar 2015 #32
Yes. Atomic War for Dummies, 1955 style. leveymg Mar 2015 #34
Time to bring out the Tom Lehrer records--1964/5 Maeve Mar 2015 #33
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