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CreekDog

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88. if only it was limited to that

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 02:16 PM

Mar 2015

lumberjack_jeff (29,576 posts)
99. Why do women seek low paying careers?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4243839

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4758433

on the other hand, I do agree with him on "performance art":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3791354

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Is a male nurse worth $5,148 more than a female nurse? [View all] cali Mar 2015 OP

Male nurses are great, fun to work with and all of that. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #1

I'd like to know if there is a difference in average hours. Blue Meany Mar 2015 #21

Would it be possible to compare the hourly rate for males and females in the same "classification"? SwissTony Mar 2015 #22

Again, I will just copy and paste my reply below: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #26

We have a union and pay is in the open AllyCat Mar 2015 #45

That is a good argument for a unionized workforce. n/t Cerridwen Mar 2015 #47

Yes, and it's pretty common. I'd like to know where the numbers come from. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #134

All too often the gap exists even when everything is exactly the same: SheilaT Mar 2015 #23

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #50

All female nurses I know catrose Mar 2015 #87

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #136

I'm just going to copy and paste my post below: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #25

the study was limited to nurses working 35 or more hours per week CreekDog Mar 2015 #37

I don't know about that. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #39

No, it isn't in this case. Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #65

Thanks! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #66

Actually, they don't mention hours worked econoclast Mar 2015 #78

It's listed at the link to the study which was included in the article: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #84

The first page of the JAMA article mentions work hours explicitly as a controlled factor. n/t Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #85

Men do not tend to work more hours than women at every profession uponit7771 Mar 2015 #48

In my experience, men don't work more hours than women at all. SharonAnn Mar 2015 #126

Unfortunately TM99 Mar 2015 #127

Not in every profession... There's no research that says that uponit7771 Mar 2015 #135

Which is equally true for the claim TM99 Mar 2015 #145

I've worked with great ones, mediocre and crap male nurses. Female nurses too. uppityperson Mar 2015 #131

I'd work my first year for minimum if anybody is ever willing to hire me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #2

I went to a Women's Leadership Conference kiva Mar 2015 #3

i heard an MRA argue to pay male teachers more to draw them into the field since it was too seabeyond Mar 2015 #4

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #19

No, and HELL no. n/t whathehell Mar 2015 #5

NO niyad Mar 2015 #6

Is this a side-by-side comparison of male and female nurses at the same facilities? Orrex Mar 2015 #7

Seven sentences into the story and we come across this LanternWaste Mar 2015 #8

Rhetorical question is rhetorical Orrex Mar 2015 #10

survey ended in 2008. 30,000 RNs all Am. citizens? or does survey include foreign visa RNs? Sunlei Mar 2015 #143

Yes. From the link in the OP: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #9

That's what I needed--thanks. Orrex Mar 2015 #11

There's probably a methodological report out there somewhere. Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #71

Where I worked pay was by job IBEWVET Mar 2015 #12

Nope. nt City Lights Mar 2015 #13

It's not right! I don't look for this congress to address this problem anytime in the near future! B Calm Mar 2015 #14

maybe they have been working longer strawberries Mar 2015 #15

See post #9. n/t Cerridwen Mar 2015 #16

no heaven05 Mar 2015 #17

If they're better, yes. closeupready Mar 2015 #18

Good point strawberries Mar 2015 #67

The study controlled for those factors. spooky3 Mar 2015 #70

You didn't even read the excerpts posted here- they explain that your bettyellen Mar 2015 #73

until I know who "they" are strawberries Mar 2015 #89

Ha ha- you think employers are going to get themselves sued by advertising different salaries for bettyellen Mar 2015 #109

Penises don't come cheap. Except on certain street corners. nt valerief Mar 2015 #20

lol nt strawberries Mar 2015 #91

What the article describes has been against the law since 1964. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #24

Again, I'm just going to copy and paste my reply #9: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #28

Did you know that left-handed college educated men make 15% more than right handed ones? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #30

And are WAY over-represented in terms of those who occupied the Oval Office - closeupready Mar 2015 #32

disgusting and so predictable. cali Mar 2015 #79

The left-hand right-hand salary survey has the same fundamental limitation as the one in the op lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #93

That's not what the data says. DanTex Mar 2015 #31

Yes. I question the improbable. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #36

There doesn't have to be an industry-wide conspiracy. DanTex Mar 2015 #40

You're not going to convince that guy... trumad Mar 2015 #81

if only it was limited to that CreekDog Mar 2015 #88

Your collection of bookmarks labeled "enemies of CD" must be impressive. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #96

No, I don't have any threads bookmarked CreekDog Mar 2015 #97

It seems like you question anything that shows that women are treated unfairly CreekDog Mar 2015 #43

no kiddling. ALWAYS. cali Mar 2015 #82

And I mean always... trumad Mar 2015 #83

the question is: why is that OK on DU? cali Mar 2015 #86

If you find disagreement intolerable, there's always ignore. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #94

there are maybe 5 on DU... trumad Mar 2015 #95

Except when he says women have the advantage CreekDog Mar 2015 #122

Because guys buy us drinks, lol! What more could we want? bettyellen Mar 2015 #128

Everything! Never fails! smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #121

Yes there is an industry wide conspiracy and who cares about a law that no one will enforce? uponit7771 Mar 2015 #55

Yep! And the Ledbetter act is toothless. bettyellen Mar 2015 #75

so basically you're saying that women are supposed to be paid less than men CreekDog Mar 2015 #35

Do you have any experience building things other than strawmen? n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #38

didnt you argue, that male teachers should be offered more than women teachers, seabeyond Mar 2015 #42

I wonder if l_j would agree that all teachers should be paid more AllyCat Mar 2015 #54

The president just promised $240 million to encourage women to become engineers. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #99

then you do advocate men get paid a higher wage in teaching than women teachers. seabeyond Mar 2015 #100

No. Care to reciprocate by answering my question? n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #108

yes, but the President didn't pledge $240 million to pay female engineers more than men CreekDog Mar 2015 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #115

at least you didn't ask if I had a learning disability this time CreekDog Mar 2015 #44

That question has been answered to my satisfaction. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #60

to your "satisfaction"? CreekDog Mar 2015 #80

Does Occam's razor suggest that men never break the law? kcr Mar 2015 #51

Does Occam's razor suggest that nursing supervisors are men? n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #58

Occam's Razor seems to suggest you're reaching to the point of irrational absurdity. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #101

What does it matter what gender the supervisors are? kcr Mar 2015 #105

Then whom did you have in mind when you said "men breaking the law"? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #112

Now why would I have had men in mind at that time during that conversation with you? kcr Mar 2015 #123

"Does Occam's razor suggest that men never break the law?" lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #124

It isn't the context of the thread. kcr Mar 2015 #144

I think if you discovered that there were more pens on average on female desks CreekDog Mar 2015 #111

Projection. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #113

What you've written over the years is a pretty good guide to what you will write CreekDog Mar 2015 #114

I do often say the same things. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #116

I'm following the dialogue to the letter, and then providing context CreekDog Mar 2015 #117

I don't mind you linking to my posts at all. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #118

No, I hope they read what you've posted and see it for what it is CreekDog Mar 2015 #120

Or even simpler than those factors is people are breaking the law & no one is going to hold them ... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #57

Ha ha ha. And no one at walks, smokes pot or cheats on taxesin this fantasy world where bettyellen Mar 2015 #130

Follow the money matt819 Mar 2015 #27

Most nursing administration jobs are held by women TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #106

I am a retired F RN Runningdawg Mar 2015 #29

Note the inherit irony in the fact that those that defend or deny the wage gap Maedhros Mar 2015 #102

Yes, absolutely!!!! MADem Mar 2015 #33

No. hamsterjill Mar 2015 #34

+1000 BeanMusical Mar 2015 #52

Agreed. It is simply appalling that it is true in a profession treestar Mar 2015 #69

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #137

How was data analyzed? Telcontar Mar 2015 #41

In case you can't read the article which answers your question, (edited) Cerridwen Mar 2015 #56

Most our male nurses are in management positions. ileus Mar 2015 #46

Also accounted for in the study. Link from article in OP: Cerridwen Mar 2015 #76

well that explains it then! CreekDog Mar 2015 #98

Nope. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #49

My husband is a nurse Beaverhausen Mar 2015 #53

I wonder if the standardized pay scale was incorporated over the years this study looked at. tammywammy Mar 2015 #72

The only reason I can think of where they outperform women nurses is Cleita Mar 2015 #59

... or women overall are paid less because people who do the hiring can pay them less. There's no uponit7771 Mar 2015 #61

Sure they should get equal pay. That wasn't my point. Cleita Mar 2015 #63

I agree, there are few if any categories the male nurses should get paid more uponit7771 Mar 2015 #140

no samsingh Mar 2015 #62

I work in health care and there is a pro-male bias. ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #64

Wait - are you arguing that if men are required to physically lift in situations where women AREN'T, closeupready Mar 2015 #77

On paper everyone has the same job description. ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #133

In which case, they might well be paying them more. alarimer Mar 2015 #104

Exactly my point above TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #107

Only if his name is Gaylord Focker (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #68

I'm trying to find a photo of Harvey Korman as a nurse... joeybee12 Mar 2015 #74

No. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #90

Absolutely not. nt LittleBlue Mar 2015 #92

I'm thinking of being a male nurse Prism Mar 2015 #103

looks like this happened to a friend JI7 Mar 2015 #119

I think ALL nurses are worth it! raven mad Mar 2015 #125

Why are women putting up with this shit. Start filing or something! lonestarnot Mar 2015 #129

Can't, no emperical proof even at a granular level and the judges are mostly male too so... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #139

Due to supply...yes WestCoastLib Mar 2015 #132

There's few if any that a male nurse can do that a female cant with the right tools... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #138

No, but I'm curious how much the gap closes if we had paid maternity leave and some TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #141

The question is why these numbers look like this. Personally I think that it involves craigmatic Mar 2015 #142