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In reply to the discussion: I keep seeing this term, "False Flag," and not just from far-right nutcases. [View all]daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Also many of the major military actions and wars the US has been involved in since the late 19th century (the consolidation of big corporations and overseas investments) were triggered by manufactured incidents and media manipulation - at least if you believe Howard Zinn.
It seems a few decades later a historian always comes along and finds the "plan" to invade the Phillipines (I forgot the name of the "incident"
, Cuba (the fake story about strip searching ladies, explosion of the Maine), WWI (Lusitania and other ships had been carrying weapons to "allies" despite our neutrality), WWII (also illegal supplying and nuking of Japan to keep them from surrendering to Russia), Vietnam (fake gulf of Tonkin incident), first Iraq War (Downing Street Memo on finding wmd to justify). Lets not forget CIA involvement in propping up dictators against popular revolutions in Latin America And South East Asia. If you want to get a tad conspiratorial, we can talk about "economic hitmen" arranging to put countries into US debt so both our and their oligarchs will enrich themselves while popular reforms get blocked.
With all of this REALLY going on, it's hard not to overthink the meaning of "international incidents". Whenever I have the urge to speculate, I have to pinch myself and remind myself that I just don 't know. I've been surrounded by propaganda and disinformation from all sides, and I feel paralyzed by it.
What I find hilarious about the Republican "Charleston" false flaggers (an incident that has not yet happened), is that most of the actual fake outs and fictional "incidents" have been Republican inventions at the behest of, to use the hoary term, the military industrial complex and the oligarchs. Is their wacko conspiracy macine a projection of a guilt complex - deep psychological disturbances over what they have done? It doesn't take much to imagine the same happening here, since we are being turned into the same sort of county where the CIA propped up all those dictators - small elite ownership class, large class of impoverished quasi-slaves used for labor in a few mega-industries or set adrift. Democracy isn't in the interest of those who have power - "governance" by any means is. Those means include false flags. So the disempowered populace waits.