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53. False Flag Origin...

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:50 PM

Mar 2015

"False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. Geraint Hughes uses the term to refer to those acts carried out by "military or security force personnel, which are then blamed on terrorists."[1]"

"The name "false flag" has its origins in naval warfare where the use of a flag other than the belligerent's true battle flag as a ruse de guerre, before engaging the enemy, has long been accepted.[4] Such operations are also accepted in certain circumstances in land warfare, to deceive enemies in similar ways providing that the deception is not perfidious and all such deceptions are discarded before opening fire upon the enemy."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Naval_warfare

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I keep seeing this term, "False Flag," and not just from far-right nutcases. [View all] Archae Mar 2015 OP

Anything intellectually inconvenient is a false flag. Get with the times. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #1

Hahaha MrBig Mar 2015 #14

There was one documented on DU just today. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #2

Here's the link to the thread that reports the incident in GA: leveymg Mar 2015 #6

One that was proposed was: "operation northwoods"... PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #3

You should do a little research on "Operation Northwoods" villager Mar 2015 #4

Lots of kooky ideas are ginned up in the DoD jberryhill Mar 2015 #9

And of course, we can trust the MIC to *never act on any of them!*" villager Mar 2015 #10

It certainly be nice if there was actually any evidence that they did act on some of them. hack89 Mar 2015 #12

Because of course such things would be thoroughly, vigorously investigated by corporate media! villager Mar 2015 #15

You have built the perfect self licking ice cream cone hack89 Mar 2015 #19

So to be clear: In your world, we have the complete, absolute truth about everything our miliary villager Mar 2015 #25

No. But I will provide actual evidence if I was ever to allege such a thing hack89 Mar 2015 #33

You should take on some of the specific examples posted downthread villager Mar 2015 #36

Gulf of Tonkin did not happen like the government said. It was also not a false flag hack89 Mar 2015 #40

And thank you for making mine. False Flags actually happen. villager Mar 2015 #41

I never said they didn't hack89 Mar 2015 #43

That's fine. But the fact that they *do* happen -- on our side -- is very problematic villager Mar 2015 #44

Raising a dismissed plan, among the many they have, does not advance your argument jberryhill Mar 2015 #28

You are free to think that an organization that conceived of "Northwoods" entirely reformed itself villager Mar 2015 #29

What do you mean by "did... again"? jberryhill Mar 2015 #32

The point being -- we don't even know the full extent of contemporaneous plans during *that* era villager Mar 2015 #38

I'm not a conspiracy theory fan. But the Gulf of Tonkin incident may qualify. stevenleser Mar 2015 #5

Yep, that is one of the best examples I can think of. nt Rex Mar 2015 #21

How was it a false flag? hack89 Mar 2015 #42

That's the first one that came to mind. old guy Mar 2015 #56

Several False Flag operations have been documented. Actually, 9-11 is a sort of example. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #7

Taking political advantage of an unanticipated event is nowhere close to being a false flag hack89 Mar 2015 #16

Except that we don't really know what happened on that day. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #22

And the unpublished scuttlebutt was the Jews were warned to leave their offices in the WTC hack89 Mar 2015 #24

So you want to be like that? Sheesh. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #26

I just have little patience with Truthers or Birthers. hack89 Mar 2015 #30

"What does that have to do with ... ?". Nothing. But worshippers of only officially government GoneFishin Mar 2015 #58

just happened to tell you yesterday? snooper2 Mar 2015 #31

Yes. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #35

A known fact? SheilaT Mar 2015 #47

Not sure about "11 planes", but records clear that 2 planes had passengers unwilling to leave. LINK: NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #59

If you realize that some humans in the world will lie, cheat, steal, kill, and commit others crimes GoneFishin Mar 2015 #8

And GoneFishin wins the internet today! closeupready Mar 2015 #11

You hit on what is really the underlying point which is that dishonest people can concoct extremely GoneFishin Mar 2015 #48

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #54

Here you go. Orsino Mar 2015 #13

Oh just a little thing called 9-11 Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #17

The Bay of Pigs. Rex Mar 2015 #18

9/11 was a false flag operation. nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #20

The CIA planted bombs in Iran in the 1950s and blamed them on communists muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #23

X files spin off show 'the lone gunmen'' Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #27

Probably. DU has an entire group dedicated to discussing MineralMan Mar 2015 #34

Oh, you coy thang, you! Thinking there ain't no sech animal as a false flag. valerief Mar 2015 #37

Some say the sinking of the Maine was a false flag arcane1 Mar 2015 #39

Well it is interesting we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan WDIM Mar 2015 #45

Brooks Brother riot, with Republican staffers posing as irate Florida voters suffragette Mar 2015 #46

It's a sign of low trust in govt and media daredtowork Mar 2015 #49

I do agree the term gets thrown around way too much Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #50

Definitely HassleCat Mar 2015 #51

Funny you should mention the X-Files lapfog_1 Mar 2015 #52

False Flag Origin... Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #53

Ah yes, the eternal heretic hunt... whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2015 #57

More recently, the sarin gas attacks in Syria were determined to be a false flag operation Maedhros Mar 2015 #60