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jtuck004

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90. "actually believe all the crazy drivel they spout? Are they really that dumb..."

Wed Mar 25, 2015, 12:28 AM

Mar 2015

Yes, they do.

They are not dumb. "completely devalue intellect and critical thinking" - it is beyond that. They see it as harmful. (Then again, if you had a tribe (word chosen on purpose) separated from civilization and you dropped some IT folks in among them, the IT folks might just get killed. Doesn't mean the people who killed them are dumb).

They are driven, like cockaroaches, and, frankly, many would just as seen see the world on fire as cooperate with anyone who doesn't see things as they do.

They assume, as you do, that all right thinking people see it their way, and that the extremes are "dumb", or worse. In their view their opponents deserve less respect than something they might step in, and they think eradication efforts are of value.

Kinda like Patton - they think their job is to make "...the other dumb bastard die for his..." cause. That's us.

I think we have fallen lower than you posit, and the next 2 to 3 decades are gonna be fuckin' horrendous. Maybe worse. Or perhaps I am being too optimistic.

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