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I'm told "If you ever want a balanced SCOTUS, set your values aside and shut up and vote for HRC." [View all] NYC_SKP Mar 2015 OP

No. What is being said is vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is in the general elections. still_one Mar 2015 #1

As to the 2016 Presidential primary, anointee seems more likely that nominee, as the term "nominee" merrily Mar 2015 #59

There is NOT one potential Democratic nominee who WON'T make a better SC choice than any of the still_one Mar 2015 #83

That fact DOES remain! CTyankee Mar 2015 #141

If we want to have a SC that represents the interests of the people, we need to make sure the Dem sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #118

It would help if the President did not represent the interests of the Corporate State. Vincardog Mar 2015 #151

This. Agschmid Mar 2015 #177

As if the only election that mattered was the President's Xipe Totec Mar 2015 #2

Beat me to it!! arcane1 Mar 2015 #6

Who puts forth the nominee for SCOTUS ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #27

Who can block the nomination? Xipe Totec Mar 2015 #30

Not true ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #32

It's called a Senate Hold. There are no limits. Xipe Totec Mar 2015 #35

I'm still not convinced ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #38

Senator Barbara Boxer is not running for re-election next year. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #53

Republicans have been laser focused on California since Texas went red and California went blue. merrily Mar 2015 #55

I'm not convinced that the "Blue Slip" (or the "Senate Hold") applies to SC Nominees ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #86

Senate holds are part of the blue slip process and does not apply to the SCOTUS Gothmog Mar 2015 #153

And what do you want? Scootaloo Mar 2015 #63

Who do I "WANT" ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #87

No, you should vote for who ever you want to vote for. leftofcool Mar 2015 #3

Who the hell is stopping Hillary supporters from making their choice? As if anyone could anyway. merrily Mar 2015 #69

AFAIC... Adrahil Mar 2015 #122

I live in Texas where we are dealing with the effects of the Shelby County case Gothmog Mar 2015 #154

I'm sure the intimidation factor will only increase as we get closer to 2016. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #4

That's not true and hopefully you know that sharp_stick Mar 2015 #5

Luckily we don't even have to do that. We can vote for whomever we want in the primary and liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #7

Sure you can sharp_stick Mar 2015 #10

Your vote in an anointing doesn't mean a hell of a whole lot, though. merrily Mar 2015 #67

It helps to have real liberals in congress and the Senate, too. arcane1 Mar 2015 #11

Who nominated Scalia? 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #28

Exactly! The problem there was more than just a republican president. arcane1 Mar 2015 #33

True, but to ignore who does the nominating is 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #36

Agreed! arcane1 Mar 2015 #37

I hope you understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #40

I do! I think we were both approaching the same thing from opposite ends arcane1 Mar 2015 #41

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #42

I think that's a very astute sharp_stick Mar 2015 #45

Bang On sharp_stick Mar 2015 #44

Worse than him, who nominated Bork? Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #54

Yes, we did ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #88

Confirmed UNANIMOUSLY, after very few softball questions. Please see Reply 64. merrily Mar 2015 #68

I know the record on Scalia; but, two points ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #97

I'm sticking with Reply 64. merrily Mar 2015 #106

See that is the difference ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #107

No, not even a little. merrily Mar 2015 #108

Awesome post!!! U4ikLefty Mar 2015 #114

Thank you. Much appreciated. merrily Mar 2015 #117

Brilliantly said! TorchTheWitch Mar 2015 #134

Thank you. merrily Mar 2015 #135

The Senate was a very different animal when Scalia was confirmed Gothmog Mar 2015 #156

That was my exact point . Thanks. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #157

Once again, you and I are in agreement Gothmog Mar 2015 #161

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #163

I already made the only comment about comity I have to make on that subject. merrily Mar 2015 #190

Early on, Scalia wrote some well reasoned opinions Gothmog Mar 2015 #155

Oh absolutely sharp_stick Mar 2015 #43

Please see Reply 59 and merrily Mar 2015 #70

Well, surely you know, no other lefty who runs would ever choose any SCOTUS judges Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #8

No one cares who you vote for. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #9

Surely the Deep Fried Twinkies with Bacon will affect my judgment. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #12

I'll be to waffle-buzzed to vote Hillary Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #19

Waffles. Any berries and whipped cream. Side of bacon Autumn Mar 2015 #81

:) Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #98

Mmmm. Waffles AND bacon. merrily Mar 2015 #120

"...a balanced pro-business SCOTUS...." truebluegreen Mar 2015 #13

+1 liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #15

exact same argument was used to vote for obama in 2012. nt msongs Mar 2015 #14

Pretty sure it was proven to be correct. (n/t) OilemFirchen Mar 2015 #20

By what? He has had no nomination for the Supreme Court since then and has TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #91

I will never "tell" anyone how he or she should vote maui902 Mar 2015 #16

Hillary is electable and a progressive uponit7771 Mar 2015 #18

Part of that statement may be true; part of it almost certainly isn't. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2015 #23

Both are true enough for America to progress... Im not looking perfection that some will rip... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #24

If Hillary is "progressive" then I'm Queen Elizabeth. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2015 #25

I expect that if people said they're not interested in HRC because she's not Queen Elizabeth, winter is coming Mar 2015 #77

Strawman, I typed "progressive enough"... FUD and some .5% of dem voters are looking for perfection uponit7771 Mar 2015 #79

I guess if she's in the general election yes Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #21

She's got some bad stuff out their lurking about Ukraine..... KoKo Mar 2015 #22

did you see this one? antigop Mar 2015 #26

This.... KoKo Mar 2015 #39

How would any of that impact us concerning SC nominees? Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #51

Who voted for (let alone block) both those confirmations? It sure as hell wasn't only Republicans! merrily Mar 2015 #64

what member of the Democratic party would tell others to shut up? Lordquinton Mar 2015 #29

Cool, cling tightly to those principles while your fellow citizens suffer. great white snark Mar 2015 #31

As if ending welfare "as we know it," signing DOMA and NAFTA and lobbying Democrats to merrily Mar 2015 #61

So, you are judging her on her husband's merits? JTFrog Mar 2015 #89

What utter ad hom crap. The only thing I "judged," IF ANYTHING, were the statements in a post of merrily Mar 2015 #109

What... sendero Mar 2015 #123

thanks for the confirmation on the substance merrily Mar 2015 #125

Gee... JTFrog Mar 2015 #124

As already stated, call someone a bigot without cause and you get what you get (and most likely merrily Mar 2015 #126

No one called you a bigot. JTFrog Mar 2015 #130

You most certainly did. You accused me of sexism and sexism is a form of bigotry. merrily Mar 2015 #131

+1 davidpdx Mar 2015 #175

Having been a victim of sexual harassment at work and sexism, I am certainly not going to be shamed merrily Mar 2015 #180

Mmmmmm. Bacon! A vote for HRC is a vote for the STATUS QUOE we need movement in Vincardog Mar 2015 #34

.... 840high Mar 2015 #46

If you are basing your ire ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #47

Okay, you win. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #56

I stopped worrying about what gets said on DU ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #101

Nance, people are so worried about losing that they're going to lose by picking Clinton. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #90

I'm not even sure what you're getting at. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #99

BINGO. And very well written, Nance. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #128

Great post Gothmog Mar 2015 #159

Thanks! NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #164

Agreed Gothmog Mar 2015 #165

In other words, "vote for Hillary, it's her turn" tularetom Mar 2015 #181

Nance, I've always been nothing but nice to you and shown respect davidpdx Mar 2015 #176

i think depending on the courts to protect abortion rights betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #48

Seems applicable aspirant Mar 2015 #49

Here's the problem, you are already projecting your fear on to SCOTUS nominees. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #50

one would think a balanced or progressive court would BE a progressive value LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #52

If HRC is the nominee, do you stay home on Election Day? longship Mar 2015 #57

What does not voting for a particular nominee have to do with not voting in general? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #94

The primaries are over? FUCK! I STILL HAVENT FILED MY TAXES FOR 2014!!!!!!!! Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #58

Due to Nader's stupidity, we have Citizens United and have lost a key section of voting rights act Gothmog Mar 2015 #60

It was also due to the dems who voted for many republican appointments. betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #65

Not exactly. Look at the confirmation hearings and votes re: Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and merrily Mar 2015 #66

Due to Nader, we have Alito and Roberts which is why we have Citizens United Gothmog Mar 2015 #74

Riiight. The unanimous vote confirming Scalia after few questions has nothing to merrily Mar 2015 #111

and don't forget Clarence Thomas ushered in by Joe Biden.... KoKo Mar 2015 #76

If all nominees are blocked, then we will not have a functioning court Gothmog Mar 2015 #160

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #80

No, that was due to Gore's lousy campaign. jeff47 Mar 2015 #102

If all I could offer someone voting for POTUS were SCOTUS nominations--which merrily Mar 2015 #62

Who tells you that? Omnith Mar 2015 #71

Poor little you. randome Mar 2015 #72

I'm reminded this extreme court of present was seated by a Democratic Party majority. mmonk Mar 2015 #73

not if you are a woman losing your rights. it matters. seabeyond Mar 2015 #75

Oh good Lord. Surely you don't think Hillary alone supports womens' rights? Please. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #82

right cause, that is what i said. .... see. this is the crap i hate, seabeyond Mar 2015 #84

Then maybe you think only she can beat a Republican? NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #85

my whole post.... i should have been way more clear, cause this is important to me. as a woman. seabeyond Mar 2015 #95

None of the Republicans who ran against McCain and Romney would have beaten merrily Mar 2015 #115

Well, of course, if your principles lie with the repiggies rock Mar 2015 #78

I feel like I'm seeing a lot more arguments lately that end with the basic premise hughee99 Mar 2015 #92

Or, "I hope you enjoy your President Cruz" or Bush, or whomever. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #100

Posts like that are the result of our Party changing its values merrily Mar 2015 #119

I'm beginning to understand treestar Mar 2015 #93

How about stop worrying about voting for Hillary until we actually have a general election where... LynneSin Mar 2015 #96

"electable". Hillary is not in the general. eom Purveyor Mar 2015 #103

No guaranty she's electable, either. merrily Mar 2015 #116

Lie. JoePhilly Mar 2015 #104

Disgusting charge against the OP for expressing his or her political view. merrily Mar 2015 #112

It's already pretty balanced Reter Mar 2015 #105

That would result only in (2) the possiblity of ties and (2) charges of (gasp) "court packing." merrily Mar 2015 #113

Um....the primary hasn't even started yet AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #110

Ya Know RobinA Mar 2015 #121

Only in the general election. Not the primaries. :-) And no, I wasn't one of them who BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #127

Vote for any dem in your primary gwheezie Mar 2015 #129

That instruction is much less meaningful when the Party tries to discourage primary challenges. merrily Mar 2015 #132

Short sighted of the party gwheezie Mar 2015 #169

Is it really short sighted, though? merrily Mar 2015 #183

Thank you! marym625 Mar 2015 #133

Someone said I will no longer matter on DU if Hillary is elected. merrily Mar 2015 #136

It is very sad to me, that this is going on marym625 Mar 2015 #146

So if you work for/vote for the progressive candidate of your choice, CTyankee Mar 2015 #147

I never stay home, even though, as a practical matter, my vote is irrelevant. merrily Mar 2015 #184

I was curious as to what folks are doing who are Dems and don't want Hillary. CTyankee Mar 2015 #186

..... merrily Mar 2015 #187

You are in a pretty good position, just as I am in blue CT. CTyankee Mar 2015 #188

Well, some Bostonian Rs I heard talking on the bus felt good about McCain, so merrily Mar 2015 #189

First, one must respond with two facts. longship Mar 2015 #137

Here's a hint...we're NOT the U.K. brooklynite Mar 2015 #145

How about let's start with not never ending elections. longship Mar 2015 #148

So, you want Hillary Clinton to automatically win? brooklynite Mar 2015 #150

Obviously I do not want anybody to automatically win. longship Mar 2015 #158

I would love to take money out of politics. I'm saying it's not practical at this point... brooklynite Mar 2015 #162

Well, I suggest that we elect people who will. longship Mar 2015 #167

There will be a vote before the general election. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #138

There's something wrong when people tell you to "set your values aside". Autumn Mar 2015 #139

Who is saying that? I'm not and I will work for Warren and hope she runs and CTyankee Mar 2015 #140

And we have to do that in the primary. That is what a primary is for. Unfortunately the progressive jwirr Mar 2015 #142

The charisma is frightening. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #143

I was thinking of JFK and President Obama. But you are correct - 1930 and 1980 come to mind. jwirr Mar 2015 #144

How about? Thor_MN Mar 2015 #149

I think it has already had a pretty good effect on Hillary, who now has to CTyankee Mar 2015 #152

What I bristle at is Dems using Right Wing talking points for any purpose. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #166

I don't call those people Democrats. CTyankee Mar 2015 #170

Then I guess the only problem is they do and they are here. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #172

Ah, you see, this is why we have Elizabeth Warren stepping forward! CTyankee Mar 2015 #173

Oh, when did she announce her candidacy? Thor_MN Mar 2015 #174

What you are missing here is the influence she can have on the party by NOT CTyankee Mar 2015 #178

Like I said, it's fantastic people are singing her praises... Thor_MN Mar 2015 #179

I know. It's wearying. CTyankee Mar 2015 #182

I'm voting for the democratic candidate in the general workinclasszero Mar 2015 #168

If HRC is nominated as the candidate for the Dems akbacchus_BC Mar 2015 #171

You should vote for the Democratic Nominee, a year from November. You should. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #185