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BainsBane

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118. Sharing opinions can build solidarity

Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:48 PM

Mar 2015

but solidarity must be a goal. It has become clear to me that for many the goal is the opposite.

I don't know what people do in their offline lives, but I do know how they respond to suggestions about organizing. I also can discern political trends and phenomena in the nation. If the state of political mobilization were anything approaching what is was in the 1930s, there would be no concealing it. Additionally, I have found those who complain the loudest about the Democratic party are also the most resistant to any proposals for change other than substituting one member of the political elite for another.

Holding up FDR as a model doesn't provide focus. It is escapist and ahistorical. Presenting a conservative view of history in which great men act from on high promotes the conservative worldview (not as in GOP but in the traditional meaning of the word) it comes from. It does nothing to promote activism or change, and it ignores the blood and sweat of the millions of Americans who actually made the New Deal. If one refuses to understand how social change comes about, that leaves no possibility for bringing it about in the future.

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I want to know where all the lurkers are marym625 Mar 2015 #1

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But WHY? marym625 Mar 2015 #9

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I mostly lurk. Treant Mar 2015 #63

This is how pipi_k Mar 2015 #103

+1000 marym625 Mar 2015 #121

If I had started lurking here within the last year, I don't know if I'd start posting now either. merrily Mar 2015 #21

I lurked marym625 Mar 2015 #31

Most people went the other way, from message boards to Facebook and other social media. merrily Mar 2015 #48

I guess I spoke too soon marym625 Mar 2015 #122

No, you may be well be correct. merrily Mar 2015 #136

because any questions or doubts AnAzulTexas Mar 2015 #60

Then how come GD is saturated with whining about her? whatthehey Mar 2015 #102

whining? marym625 Mar 2015 #124

Yeah, I can see why that would keep people away marym625 Mar 2015 #123

Here's a good article on Martin O'Malley marym625 Mar 2015 #2

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Now you're talking! marym625 Mar 2015 #8

I'd vote for O'Malley over Hillary and Webb in a New York second. merrily Mar 2015 #22

At this point marym625 Mar 2015 #33

Well, Jim Webb appears to be running and so does Hillary, so I want more than two. merrily Mar 2015 #38

Oh, don't get me wrong, I do as well. marym625 Mar 2015 #79

would you still be ok if we got a President Rubio or Cruz and an eventual CTyankee Mar 2015 #81

I'll answer that, even though it's aimed at someone else.... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #83

It won't help my granddaughters if Roe gets reversed. CTyankee Mar 2015 #85

Won't help my niece either. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #90

You are right about all of the health consequences to people if a repub gets in. CTyankee Mar 2015 #93

Sometimes whichever choice you make, people will die. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #95

And I will be right alongside you in that fight. CTyankee Mar 2015 #98

I would feel proud I didn't go against my beliefs and the agenda that the marym625 Mar 2015 #84

HRC will NOT appoint any SC candidate that is remotely anti-choice. CTyankee Mar 2015 #89

First, I don't agree with you on that marym625 Mar 2015 #91

let me reiterate my earlier statement about working for E Warren in the CTyankee Mar 2015 #96

I have marym625 Mar 2015 #100

You have my promise that I will work hard for a more progressive candidate CTyankee Mar 2015 #117

that's off the rails, the idea that Hillary's SCOTUS appointments would be equal to batshit crazy CreekDog Mar 2015 #119

If you did anything else but verify marym625 Mar 2015 #120

FWIW, Hillary voted NOT to confirm Roberts and Alito OKNancy Mar 2015 #134

That's where I'm coming around to. I once thought I'd be able to hold my nose and closeupready Mar 2015 #105

I know I can't marym625 Mar 2015 #107

the second coming of fdr is who i'd like to vote for. or the ghost of mlk or rfk. someone ND-Dem Mar 2015 #3

check post #2 marym625 Mar 2015 #10

mm. let's just say, i'm not that impressed. not the second coming of fdr by a long shot. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #34

I don't know enough yet marym625 Mar 2015 #36

yeah, over hilary i'd take him -- on the basis of what i know so far. but it's not much. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #42

To have an FDR BainsBane Mar 2015 #65

You have no idea what any individual poster does outside of DU to help build... stillwaiting Mar 2015 #78

Sharing opinions can build solidarity BainsBane Mar 2015 #118

FDR was a brilliant politician for a Depression that came on the heels of the Russian revolution. merrily Mar 2015 #44

On the right Pat Robertson wishes for Reagan to return from the dead.... Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #99

MATHS! A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #5

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"What candidate do the 250 plus want?" Someone who is not DLC, Third Way, New Democrat, etc. merrily Mar 2015 #11

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No, I said I was leaving the other THREAD and I did leave it. merrily Mar 2015 #19

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k merrily Mar 2015 #26

I heard somewhere that trumad is declaring a candidacy, so that's probably where the other petronius Mar 2015 #13

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I know. Just ask President Dennis Kucinich. His run started right here, msanthrope Mar 2015 #66

Only if he runs with Robb. winter is coming Mar 2015 #72

what you are saying is G_j Mar 2015 #14

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unhappy that Warren isn't running, Sanders is severely challenged financially and logistically G_j Mar 2015 #32

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Yeah that does kind of put things into perspective now doesn't it? Rex Mar 2015 #18

I think you mean... "MMMMF! MF! MRRRMPHMMMM!" Scootaloo Mar 2015 #39

And aren't you the demanding one! nt delrem Mar 2015 #20

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Do you demand that I make you a sandwich, like you demand "An Answer!"? delrem Mar 2015 #27

I offered to make you a sandwich, KMOD Mar 2015 #30

Then make it. Dummy! delrem Mar 2015 #35

I changed my mind. KMOD Mar 2015 #37

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I so very sorry, for you humor suppression KMOD Mar 2015 #47

I quite enjoyed it. Thanks. nt delrem Mar 2015 #49

Enjoy your sandwich ROFLMAO while you are on vacation again! snooper2 Mar 2015 #111

He's got a couple weeks to grow one. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #54

lol KMOD Mar 2015 #137

Probably nobody... TreasonousBastard Mar 2015 #25

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Nothing to cure marym625 Mar 2015 #40

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Surely there are people like me who don't have an opinion yet. betsuni Mar 2015 #29

Yes, there are many people like you. KMOD Mar 2015 #45

The problem with so many parties in Japan Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #70

Yes, it's true. betsuni Mar 2015 #74

The Communist Party of Japan should change its name Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #77

Seinfeld reference: betsuni Mar 2015 #86

It's SRO in the Major Hogwash washroom!! Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #50

Good Question. One wonders, one really does. nt Hekate Mar 2015 #51

I would not concern myself unduly with DU rec's. djean111 Mar 2015 #52

I'm not bothered. KMOD Mar 2015 #127

I am one of the 250. I didn't see the other two threads. I would have rec'd both of them. Did it sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #53

That does it for me. I'm running DFW Mar 2015 #55

that's everyone except Raphael Cruz at this point Doctor_J Mar 2015 #68

My point exactly n/t DFW Mar 2015 #73

I will never vote for anyone who voted for the IWR. nt U4ikLefty Mar 2015 #56

"What candidate do the 250 plus want?" Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #57

Nobody... Yet. Still 19 months to go. longship Mar 2015 #58

I think most people are waiting to see who is running and what issues they're running on. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #59

Waiting to see who runs? rpannier Mar 2015 #61

Precisely Sherman A1 Mar 2015 #62

I am also waiting to see who is running before deciding who to support Marrah_G Mar 2015 #75

Probably Kucinich. Many of his devotees are still here. lamp_shade Mar 2015 #64

All the threads on fantasy presidential election have made me cynical BainsBane Mar 2015 #67

Wonderfully said and true. betsuni Mar 2015 #69

Don't be sorry BainsBane Mar 2015 #115

There's plenty of anger, hatred and uncritical worship to go around Fumesucker Mar 2015 #108

Good point about living in conservative areas, and anger in real life BainsBane Mar 2015 #114

Thank you for your post. KMOD Mar 2015 #129

5 people recced this post Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #71

We want one who will likely have to be drafted - Michelle Obama leveymg Mar 2015 #76

Not every DUer reads every OP, strange as that may seem. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #80

Give me a viable candidate for the nomination and I'll vote for him or her. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #82

I answered this question LWolf Mar 2015 #87

Does it matter where they stand, if they will be eliminated in your purge? n/t Orsino Mar 2015 #88

my purge? KMOD Mar 2015 #130

The obvious answer is that we want a traditional FDR type Dem to run, Zorra Mar 2015 #92

Not sure if I saw the post Bettie Mar 2015 #94

I feel left out MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #97

Maybe someone else, besides the above mentioned? darkangel218 Mar 2015 #101

I don't rec, but where I stand is as follows: Xyzse Mar 2015 #104

One doesn't need to decide on a preferred candidate right this minute Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #106

the plus caveat. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #109

There are no giants on the earth in these days tularetom Mar 2015 #110

not HRC.... mike_c Mar 2015 #112

At this point, Bernie Sanders. But, I'm open to other progressive, anti-war candidates. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #113

Bernie? KamaAina Mar 2015 #116

Maybe they aren't sure, but they are sure they don't want HRC...? ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #125

Ted Cruz liberal N proud Mar 2015 #126

I recommend posts be read even if I disagree with the article... DonViejo Mar 2015 #128

A Progressive candidate. PassingFair Mar 2015 #131

It is too early to be playing these games. upaloopa Mar 2015 #132

I thought there were a lot more than than 600 people who belonged to DU. stage left Mar 2015 #133

As one who strives to be an informed voter, I make no (temp?) decisions until at least 2nd debate. Panich52 Mar 2015 #135