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In reply to the discussion: Amanda Knox will again go before an Italian court [View all]pnwmom
(109,388 posts)51. Yes, we do bribe possible witnesses with lower sentences, but we DON'T then
take that testimony and enter it as establish fact -- unchallenged by the other side's attorneys.
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It wasn't magic. Their system changed for the worse when they passed the fast-track trial legislation.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#11
It sounds like a big part of the problem is the same problem we have here - prosecutors being
Chathamization
Mar 2015
#37
Exactly. And that is a key difference. Their fast-track law specifically allows the person
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#111
No, the Italian courts and police have always been dreadful, corrupt, and incompetent.
Spider Jerusalem
Mar 2015
#97
The fast track legislation is a relatively new development that made a bad system worse,
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#112
Regardless, we shouldn't do it. She has already been tried. It is a case of double jeopardy by our
still_one
Mar 2015
#54
It apples to our citizens, and Amanda Knox is a US citizen, and she has Constitutional rights above
still_one
Mar 2015
#94
You do realize, of course, that it's her appeal, right? Kinda blows the whole
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#207
You do realize that the 2nd appeal overturned her innocent verdict. She was found innocent
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#212
She was not found innocent. She was, however, initially found guilty, and the appeals
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#213
She was actually found innocent. There are two kinds of not-guilty verdicts in Italy, and the
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#214
That is a legal fiction in Italy that the US has no need to accept. The State Department thought
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#217
No....I don't think you were right. I think Ms. Knox's character will out. nt
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#227
Her character and Raffaele's have already been revealed. They have both held up
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#228
OJ was voted not-guilty, which was not the categorical assertion of innocence that went to
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#230
You're right, it doesn't. But the Supreme Court ruled in 1957 that our government cannot
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#114
'All American Girl' and 'Kangaroo Court'. And let's not honor our extradition agreements! Okay,
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#120
The Italian justice system is among the worst in western Europe -- so it is worse than ours, too.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#137
Insanely convoluted, if nothing else. Reminds me somewhat of Kafka's 'The Trial.' n/t
nomorenomore08
Mar 2015
#8
I'd be surprised if they sent her back. Our legal system offers one bite of the apple, and that's
MADem
Mar 2015
#3
Consulting a psychic, multiple times??? That should be cause for disbarment. n/t
nomorenomore08
Mar 2015
#9
A cop in a major us city told me that they do employ psychics in missing persons and murder cases.
Dont call me Shirley
Mar 2015
#92
The PA's in that Italian Provence, like in the US, have way to much authority
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#145
Isn't that interesting how two people can look at the same thing and see it so differently?
MADem
Mar 2015
#41
I was closer to Roma; Sicilia is a world apart (though I enjoy it when I visit). nt
MADem
Mar 2015
#50
If you haven't read Judge Hellman's appeals report -- which contained an analysis of the DNA
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#131
I read it a long time ago, in English. It and the Nencini verdict were nonsensical. nt
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#215
I think a 4 minute video edit put out by people who admit they are advocates for Knox is worthless..
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#75
Like I said--a video put out by an advocacy group for Ms. Knox doesn't carry the same weight as a
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#80
Well, I think that's why it's a far more balanced viewpoint than the edit job you posted.
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#90
The extradition treaty was signed before Italy changed some major laws
TexasMommaWithAHat
Mar 2015
#116
Amanda has a strange personality that the Europeans don't seem to understand
davidn3600
Mar 2015
#74
Dershowitz is scum, but he knows when a murderer is caught. And he's right....there's more than
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#91
I posted in another subthread, one thing this case reminds of is Lance Armstrong (oddly, perhaps).
DanTex
Mar 2015
#123
That's a very apt description. I've noticed a very anti-Italian vibe here from some
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#124
I disagree about the Bronco Defense, Furhman was an ardent racist bastard cop... that alone
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#148
My Bad, Furhman was accused BEFORE the OJ trial of tampering and the PA had to drop that
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#152
Some of us are far more informed than Dershowitz clearly is. And he only has experience
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#139
But he doesn't have credibility because he clearly knows very little about the differences
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#147
Any US official that would send her back to Italy should be run out of town. n/t
cpwm17
Mar 2015
#12
The Amanda Knox case is an example of slut-shaming taken the most extreme degree
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#13
I completely agree with what you wrote in the title of your reply. This is definitely "slut-shaming"
StevieM
Mar 2015
#63
If we don't return her, Italy will become an attractive destination for fugitives from US justice,
Nye Bevan
Mar 2015
#15
If we extradited, we would be saying that basic rights to a fair trial are unimportant.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#30
Naaah. Our justice system gives one bite of the apple. They've been gnawing at Knox for years,
MADem
Mar 2015
#49
If they want to end our extradition treaty, then our murderers and rapists become
LittleBlue
Mar 2015
#58
better we don't dishonor our Constitution. She has been tried and acquitted already.
still_one
Mar 2015
#102
If John Kerry agrees to an extradition request, she will be going to Italy (nt)
Nye Bevan
Mar 2015
#18
If the court of causation signs off on this, nobody will ever see Amanda Knox again
derby378
Mar 2015
#64
beware. There is a group that often swoops in whenever Amanda Knox is mentioned...
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#26
Double Jeopardy is against our Constitution, and that is grounds for NOT honoring any extradition
still_one
Mar 2015
#55
US law protect US citizens. She is a US citizen in the US, and has already been tried and acquitted
still_one
Mar 2015
#100
The 22 CIA agents who renditioned that cleric from Milan haven't been extradited
riderinthestorm
Mar 2015
#140
Yes I know. Was just addressing the point that a guilty verdict always means extradition
riderinthestorm
Mar 2015
#146
Regardless of how you feel about her, it must be devastating to live with that hanging over
closeupready
Mar 2015
#61
Sure, I can see that. Who wants that kind of infamy following them through life?
closeupready
Mar 2015
#67
You can bet that the Kerchers will also go after any money she makes no matter what happens here
davidn3600
Mar 2015
#71
Yes, that's basically my view. She's not a good PR person for herself at all.
closeupready
Mar 2015
#117
She's an introvert and her own person, and she was never part of the cool crowd.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#119
Do you know how many innocent people on death row were there because of false confessions?
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#158
Just to not let false statements stand. She made the confession after 2.75 hours.
DanTex
Mar 2015
#168
I never said that she had had four days without food, water, or an attorney. But I did say
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#171
You couldn't be more wrong but I won't accuse YOU of lying. Just of being grossly misinformed.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#174
Here's how I made my initial decision that there was more than enough reasonable doubt.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#181
No, that was wrong, too. There was evidence of a burglary, yes, and broken glass.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#185
The second jury DID decide that the burglary was not faked. Please read the report by Judges Hellman
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#188
Yes, that is the police claim. But since they didn't follow their own law to record their
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#191
The police were recording all the telephone calls between Amanda and her family,
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#199
Also, I have to go right now, but I'm sure this will be discussed again here tomorrow.
DanTex
Mar 2015
#196
I kept meaning to get back to you with an explanation of the bra clasp
riderinthestorm
Mar 2015
#223
I'm not familiar with the Armstrong case, but I can see why there would seem to be parallels.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#201
You disagree about that the accusation came after 2-3 hours and not 50? (I'm wrong about this)
DanTex
Mar 2015
#159
Maybe you could think about correcting this post, now that you know the truth about her interrogation.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#178
Even with the vast resources we have through the internet where news travels in a flash instant
Wash. state Desk Jet
Mar 2015
#167
No. The US media started off aping the British media, getting lots of attention
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#234