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In reply to the discussion: Amanda Knox will again go before an Italian court [View all]LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)58. If they want to end our extradition treaty, then our murderers and rapists become
their murderers and rapists. Do it, Italy, and see what happens. Oh, let's throw in our terrorists, gangsters, drug dealers and organized crime too.
Go ahead Italy, doooooooo it.
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It wasn't magic. Their system changed for the worse when they passed the fast-track trial legislation.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#11
It sounds like a big part of the problem is the same problem we have here - prosecutors being
Chathamization
Mar 2015
#37
Exactly. And that is a key difference. Their fast-track law specifically allows the person
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#111
No, the Italian courts and police have always been dreadful, corrupt, and incompetent.
Spider Jerusalem
Mar 2015
#97
The fast track legislation is a relatively new development that made a bad system worse,
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#112
Regardless, we shouldn't do it. She has already been tried. It is a case of double jeopardy by our
still_one
Mar 2015
#54
It apples to our citizens, and Amanda Knox is a US citizen, and she has Constitutional rights above
still_one
Mar 2015
#94
You do realize, of course, that it's her appeal, right? Kinda blows the whole
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#207
You do realize that the 2nd appeal overturned her innocent verdict. She was found innocent
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#212
She was not found innocent. She was, however, initially found guilty, and the appeals
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#213
She was actually found innocent. There are two kinds of not-guilty verdicts in Italy, and the
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#214
That is a legal fiction in Italy that the US has no need to accept. The State Department thought
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#217
No....I don't think you were right. I think Ms. Knox's character will out. nt
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#227
Her character and Raffaele's have already been revealed. They have both held up
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#228
OJ was voted not-guilty, which was not the categorical assertion of innocence that went to
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#230
You're right, it doesn't. But the Supreme Court ruled in 1957 that our government cannot
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#114
'All American Girl' and 'Kangaroo Court'. And let's not honor our extradition agreements! Okay,
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#120
The Italian justice system is among the worst in western Europe -- so it is worse than ours, too.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#137
Insanely convoluted, if nothing else. Reminds me somewhat of Kafka's 'The Trial.' n/t
nomorenomore08
Mar 2015
#8
I'd be surprised if they sent her back. Our legal system offers one bite of the apple, and that's
MADem
Mar 2015
#3
Consulting a psychic, multiple times??? That should be cause for disbarment. n/t
nomorenomore08
Mar 2015
#9
A cop in a major us city told me that they do employ psychics in missing persons and murder cases.
Dont call me Shirley
Mar 2015
#92
The PA's in that Italian Provence, like in the US, have way to much authority
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#145
Isn't that interesting how two people can look at the same thing and see it so differently?
MADem
Mar 2015
#41
I was closer to Roma; Sicilia is a world apart (though I enjoy it when I visit). nt
MADem
Mar 2015
#50
If you haven't read Judge Hellman's appeals report -- which contained an analysis of the DNA
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#131
I read it a long time ago, in English. It and the Nencini verdict were nonsensical. nt
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#215
I think a 4 minute video edit put out by people who admit they are advocates for Knox is worthless..
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#75
Like I said--a video put out by an advocacy group for Ms. Knox doesn't carry the same weight as a
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#80
Well, I think that's why it's a far more balanced viewpoint than the edit job you posted.
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#90
The extradition treaty was signed before Italy changed some major laws
TexasMommaWithAHat
Mar 2015
#116
Amanda has a strange personality that the Europeans don't seem to understand
davidn3600
Mar 2015
#74
Dershowitz is scum, but he knows when a murderer is caught. And he's right....there's more than
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#91
I posted in another subthread, one thing this case reminds of is Lance Armstrong (oddly, perhaps).
DanTex
Mar 2015
#123
That's a very apt description. I've noticed a very anti-Italian vibe here from some
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#124
I disagree about the Bronco Defense, Furhman was an ardent racist bastard cop... that alone
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#148
My Bad, Furhman was accused BEFORE the OJ trial of tampering and the PA had to drop that
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#152
Some of us are far more informed than Dershowitz clearly is. And he only has experience
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#139
But he doesn't have credibility because he clearly knows very little about the differences
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#147
Any US official that would send her back to Italy should be run out of town. n/t
cpwm17
Mar 2015
#12
The Amanda Knox case is an example of slut-shaming taken the most extreme degree
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#13
I completely agree with what you wrote in the title of your reply. This is definitely "slut-shaming"
StevieM
Mar 2015
#63
If we don't return her, Italy will become an attractive destination for fugitives from US justice,
Nye Bevan
Mar 2015
#15
If we extradited, we would be saying that basic rights to a fair trial are unimportant.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#30
Naaah. Our justice system gives one bite of the apple. They've been gnawing at Knox for years,
MADem
Mar 2015
#49
If they want to end our extradition treaty, then our murderers and rapists become
LittleBlue
Mar 2015
#58
better we don't dishonor our Constitution. She has been tried and acquitted already.
still_one
Mar 2015
#102
If John Kerry agrees to an extradition request, she will be going to Italy (nt)
Nye Bevan
Mar 2015
#18
If the court of causation signs off on this, nobody will ever see Amanda Knox again
derby378
Mar 2015
#64
beware. There is a group that often swoops in whenever Amanda Knox is mentioned...
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#26
Double Jeopardy is against our Constitution, and that is grounds for NOT honoring any extradition
still_one
Mar 2015
#55
US law protect US citizens. She is a US citizen in the US, and has already been tried and acquitted
still_one
Mar 2015
#100
The 22 CIA agents who renditioned that cleric from Milan haven't been extradited
riderinthestorm
Mar 2015
#140
Yes I know. Was just addressing the point that a guilty verdict always means extradition
riderinthestorm
Mar 2015
#146
Regardless of how you feel about her, it must be devastating to live with that hanging over
closeupready
Mar 2015
#61
Sure, I can see that. Who wants that kind of infamy following them through life?
closeupready
Mar 2015
#67
You can bet that the Kerchers will also go after any money she makes no matter what happens here
davidn3600
Mar 2015
#71
Yes, that's basically my view. She's not a good PR person for herself at all.
closeupready
Mar 2015
#117
She's an introvert and her own person, and she was never part of the cool crowd.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#119
Do you know how many innocent people on death row were there because of false confessions?
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#158
Just to not let false statements stand. She made the confession after 2.75 hours.
DanTex
Mar 2015
#168
I never said that she had had four days without food, water, or an attorney. But I did say
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#171
You couldn't be more wrong but I won't accuse YOU of lying. Just of being grossly misinformed.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#174
Here's how I made my initial decision that there was more than enough reasonable doubt.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#181
No, that was wrong, too. There was evidence of a burglary, yes, and broken glass.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#185
The second jury DID decide that the burglary was not faked. Please read the report by Judges Hellman
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#188
Yes, that is the police claim. But since they didn't follow their own law to record their
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#191
The police were recording all the telephone calls between Amanda and her family,
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#199
Also, I have to go right now, but I'm sure this will be discussed again here tomorrow.
DanTex
Mar 2015
#196
I kept meaning to get back to you with an explanation of the bra clasp
riderinthestorm
Mar 2015
#223
I'm not familiar with the Armstrong case, but I can see why there would seem to be parallels.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#201
You disagree about that the accusation came after 2-3 hours and not 50? (I'm wrong about this)
DanTex
Mar 2015
#159
Maybe you could think about correcting this post, now that you know the truth about her interrogation.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#178
Even with the vast resources we have through the internet where news travels in a flash instant
Wash. state Desk Jet
Mar 2015
#167
No. The US media started off aping the British media, getting lots of attention
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#234