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In reply to the discussion: I'm told "If you ever want a balanced SCOTUS, set your values aside and shut up and vote for HRC." [View all]NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)Who said we can't have a primary, or won't have one? Someone on DU? If so, you might consider the source.
Are you suggesting that Hillary supporters are grasping at her candidacy because they're "worried about losing", and for no other reason? That's a pretty broad brush you're waving around.
I keep reading this tired meme about Hill having been bested by Obama in '08. Let's not forget that HRC had millions of staunch supporters - as did Obama and Edwards. But according to the revisionist history being touted by some here, Obama entered the race and within minutes, Hill was left standing in a corner by herself, all of her supporters having flocked to Obama's side. We both know that's not what happened. She had enormous support - it didn't disappear overnight.
The only people who touted HRC as "inevitable" was the MSM - you know, that same MSM who everyone here claims not to pay attention to. I was in the thick of things here during the '08 primaries - an Obama girl from the start. Got into it hot and heavy with the HRC supporters - and yet I never heard one of them say "support Hillary because she's inevitable", or support Hill because she's the "annointed one", or support Hill because "it's her turn". Not once.
So exactly what are you suggesting? That HRC supporters withdraw their support because a bunch of people on DU don't like her? Should they stop supporting the person they feel will make a good president because people on a message board don't agree with their assessment of her?
To be perfectly blunt, I think the Warren supporters are delusional. The woman has stated over and over, in clear and unmistakable terms, that she is NOT running. So rather than supporting someone else, they'd rather spend their time and efforts on a candidate who IS NOT RUNNING. What does that tell you about how serious people are about actually identifying and supporting a viable alternative to Hillary?
Right now, HRC polls extremely well against all GOP contenders. Whether you like it or not, THAT counts. THAT is important. Of course, as in '08, that could change - but until it does, until someone else emerges who has a better shot at winning the general for the Democrats, whining incessantly about how "we can do better than HRC" is pointless.
If you don't want HRC - that's fine. What are you going to DO about it? Find someone else to support, fund, work for, campaign for? Or just complain that you aren't getting the candidate YOU want, and that's the end of that?
For years, DUers pointed out that Republicans only shoot down Democratic ideas, without offering any of their own. They pointed out that GOP politicians spend their careers putting down their Dem opponents, instead of touting their own positives. And that's what I see happening here. People posting thread after thread about what an evil warmonger HRC is, without ever offering up a viable alternative and touting THEIR accomplishments, THEIR positives, THEIR plans.
The "anyone but Hillary" contingent - well, the monicker says it all. They only know who they don't want - they have absolutely no clue as to who it is they DO want. Or they offer up Warren or Sanders - the woman who isn't running and the man who isn't even a Democrat.