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39. someone who had taken that flight before might have wondered pretty quickly about the descent

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:40 AM

Mar 2015

But for those who never had been on that flight, it might not have occurred to them that there was anything particularly wrong at that point. It was scheduled to be a 90 minute flight and, apparently, everything was normal for about 45 minutes -- half the scheduled flying time. If the descent was at a controlled rate, folks might have noticed, but not necessarily recognized what was happening. However, by the time the plane was nearing 6000 feet (from a maximum altitude of 38,000), I would expect everyone to be aware and concerned.

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Above? A HERETIC I AM Mar 2015 #20

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someone who had taken that flight before might have wondered pretty quickly about the descent onenote Mar 2015 #39

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