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36. Please link to the proof for your claim that "negotiation documents" are what's to be

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Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:57 PM

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The investment chapter is to remain classified for 4 FUCKING years after the TPP is [View all] cali Mar 2015 OP

Aw, cali, don't you trust the corporations? djean111 Mar 2015 #1

other chapters have been leakes and there's a ton of info on that cali Mar 2015 #2

Oh, I am keeping up with that. I try and air out the stench of it every once in a while, here. djean111 Mar 2015 #6

if this pos of a "trade agreement" gets through... Javaman Mar 2015 #3

Along with the citizens of every country that signs on to it arcane1 Mar 2015 #9

exactly. spot on. nt Javaman Mar 2015 #12

i 'VE said this since the beginning......... its also been in their plans for years Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #33

Truly outrageous. How can anybody pretend we're in a democracy? (nt) enough Mar 2015 #4

Calm down, they just don't want to spoil the surprise arcane1 Mar 2015 #5

Not true. The NEGOTIATION documents, which were released by Wikileaks, were supposedly classified Hoyt Mar 2015 #7

so the NYT is lying? I don't buy it. cali Mar 2015 #8

NYT is not making the distinction, and people spreading this aren't either. Hoyt Mar 2015 #19

which shows how much you don't know. cali Mar 2015 #28

Wrong again. Michael Froman is the USTR. Hoyt Mar 2015 #34

You're right. Brain sputter. Siddiqi is the former chief- ag- negotiator cali Mar 2015 #48

Fortunately, like the FCC net neutrality debate, Obama will have the final word. Hoyt Mar 2015 #62

wrong. It's up to Congress to pass or not pass fast track. Without he's fucked when cali Mar 2015 #73

No, not fucked. It would mean Congress would get to alter the treaty jeff47 Mar 2015 #78

Wrong again. Obama must endorse it by submitting it to Congress. Hoyt Mar 2015 #79

bwahahahaa. cali Mar 2015 #82

Because shitting on the only honest politician of our generation is so much more effective. tridim Mar 2015 #87

I no longer trust politicians. 840high Mar 2015 #95

The fact that these accords already exist doesn't make them good. arcane1 Mar 2015 #16

Doesn't make em bad either. Every nation -- including European Union -- insist on them for obvious Hoyt Mar 2015 #21

The EU is having fits about the ISDS chapter in the TTIP. cali Mar 2015 #25

No, a FEW people who don't know what they are protesting about are having fits. Hoyt Mar 2015 #30

bzzt. fail, fail and fail cali Mar 2015 #35

Wrong again. The person quoted in the article is for replacing the current language with Hoyt Mar 2015 #44

Please link to the proof for your claim that "negotiation documents" are what's to be ND-Dem Mar 2015 #36

Do a little research on your own. It's quite simple, if you have an open mind. Hoyt Mar 2015 #47

You made the claim, you back it up. If you won't, it's just BULLSHIT. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #51

You have nothing. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #65

If you need to see "TPP WILL BE RELEASED," will you accept something from Ezra Klein (Vox Media). Hoyt Mar 2015 #77

Wonder what is the motive for that. treestar Mar 2015 #58

Informative and balanced article. Thanks for posting it, cali. n/t pampango Mar 2015 #10

Not quite. The working document is. jeff47 Mar 2015 #11

+1. Hoyt Mar 2015 #23

prove it. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #37

Ok. It's literally in the document that was leaked. jeff47 Mar 2015 #40

Copy the relevant text. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #43

Geez, I had to go all the way to the title to find it. jeff47 Mar 2015 #50

That doesn't prove your point in any manner whatsoever. Here's a reminder as to your claim: ND-Dem Mar 2015 #53

My point that it's a working document is quite well demonstrated by the title saying so. jeff47 Mar 2015 #54

Irrelevant to your claim that *only* the "working document" will be classified. As you well ND-Dem Mar 2015 #57

Actually, it does prove it. jeff47 Mar 2015 #60

you haven't proven it's the draft that is to be classified. I repeat: PROVE IT. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #66

The title says so. Thus proving it. jeff47 Mar 2015 #69

it doesn't say any such thing ND-Dem Mar 2015 #71

You mean the parts where it says "draft" and "working document" don't exist? jeff47 Mar 2015 #72

By "judicial," do you mean the American judiciary? Buns_of_Fire Mar 2015 #107

No, I mean the pseudo-courts set up in the leaked draft. jeff47 Mar 2015 #116

ND, please take a few minutes and think about what you are posting. The final draft will be released Hoyt Mar 2015 #67

prove it ND-Dem Mar 2015 #68

I can certainly understand your reluctance to research any of this on your own... LanternWaste Mar 2015 #76

I understand his reluctance to accept either you or the government. bvar22 Mar 2015 #114

My dear cali, how better to forestall contituent wrath until AFTER a subsequent election? closeupready Mar 2015 #13

Not to mention a changeover in administrations, giving the one in office at the time of release the GoneFishin Mar 2015 #14

DingDingDing! Handpay! Call Attendant! closeupready Mar 2015 #15

Calm down. We should just wait until it passes so we can see what is really in it. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #17

Right! See what is in it.... away from the 'fog of controversy'. closeupready Mar 2015 #26

that's what rational, serious people do. who could doubt the logic? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #39

Thanks for the FUD Cali!!!1 tridim Mar 2015 #18

I'll wager I know a lot more about it than YOU. cali Mar 2015 #22

Yes it is true that you read all the FUD you can find and repost it. tridim Mar 2015 #24

oh bullshit. damn, I'm sick of mendacious crap. cali Mar 2015 #27

Does Chained CPI exist? tridim Mar 2015 #29

Are you actually suggesting that the TPP doesn't exist? wowzer. cali Mar 2015 #31

A TPP bill does not exist. tridim Mar 2015 #32

The TPP is not a bill, my not-a-friend cali Mar 2015 #38

Ahh, the old "Big time" support for a trade agreement that doesn't exist. tridim Mar 2015 #85

yes, chained CPI exists, just as much as CPI itself exists. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #46

What are you getting at here? Are you suggesting that Obama did not support a Chained CPI Broward Mar 2015 #52

He says it doesn't exist, even though Obama included this fictitious entity in his budget. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #55

disgusting. cali Mar 2015 #75

Neither Chained CPI nor a TPP agreement exist. tridim Mar 2015 #86

For fuck sake, you don't wait until it's law to exert societal influence. It's like waiting for the Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #89

It's kinda like the Scientology of politics. Fuddnik Mar 2015 #97

I'll be extremely interested if/when it is an actual proposal tridim Mar 2015 #106

Failure to get it through doesn't negate that it wasn't the proposed plan any more TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #92

so the NYT is spreading FUD & Obama bashing and doesn't know if TPP exists or not? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #41

Name-calling: a sure sign of a solid argument. arcane1 Mar 2015 #42

Where's Gorbachev when you need him? KamaAina Mar 2015 #20

There has been no denial by the administration that TPP is real, nor a denial of fast track GoneFishin Mar 2015 #45

Wow. Some of the pro-TPP spinning downthread is breathtaking. marmar Mar 2015 #49

No kidding! I'm half expecting the "You hate the TPP because Obama is black" argument arcane1 Mar 2015 #61

actually it's there Doctor_J Mar 2015 #108

Or an insane asylum nationalize the fed Mar 2015 #120

And if anyone stops fucking, the 4 years might be tolled. treestar Mar 2015 #56

LOL! randome Mar 2015 #59

Gosh. Octafish Mar 2015 #63

Out of all of the change he discussed during the elections,..... NCTraveler Mar 2015 #64

Treaties are always negotiated in secret and later voted on. randome Mar 2015 #70

Point 1. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #88

NO SNARK ZONE! REDUCE SPEED! randome Mar 2015 #96

Hey, these days... Oilwellian Mar 2015 #74

Here's article by Ezra Klein attempting to describe why TPP is important, and where people disagree. Hoyt Mar 2015 #80

I read it. dog shit. cali Mar 2015 #81

Not "dog stuff" at all. You are being myopic -- This is a re-write of NAFTA. Hoyt Mar 2015 #83

If it was good for us (ie. the 99%) there would be Republican Senators against it. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #101

So you are for fast-track, since many Republicans seem to be against it? Hoyt Mar 2015 #102

Their reasons for opposing Obama are clearly racist. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #104

Forgetting TPP for moment, It really is a shame Obama's Presidency has been crippled by that. Hoyt Mar 2015 #105

"TPP could, in its best form, help level that playing field a bit (though only a bit)" arcane1 Mar 2015 #109

Unless some other country takes the lead in world trade and our influence declines. Hoyt Mar 2015 #110

Wow, this is fun! Check out this bit from the OP hedda_foil Mar 2015 #84

//\\ G_j Mar 2015 #90

they sure do. cali Mar 2015 #99

So we need to keep our powder dry for 4 effing years truebluegreen Mar 2015 #91

And if you talk about it, you're a ''Conspiracy Theorist.'' Octafish Mar 2015 #93

All I can say is, truebluegreen Mar 2015 #94

In my book, then, you're a Patriot. Octafish Mar 2015 #98

That contract lost all meaning during the 1980s. Rex Mar 2015 #100

I can hear it now from our conservatives: bvar22 Mar 2015 #115

you can keep your trade agreement if you want,... I can see the political ads coming NM_Birder Mar 2015 #103

well see? Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 2015 #111

"The most transparent administration EVER" n/t oneshooter Mar 2015 #112

I'll wait for the final release ,,,,,,, thank you. Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #113

Is it even possible to imagine a bigger red flag hifiguy Mar 2015 #117

K&R woo me with science Mar 2015 #118

kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #119