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185. Can you document that he lied and that he was paid to lie?

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 03:08 PM

Mar 2015

Let the person who's never misspoken in an official capacity cast the first stone.

Further, spokespersons for the "organic" and "supplement" industries make wild claims all the time, more or less with impunity. The three stooges I named earlier (Weil, Chopra & Oz) have built multi-million dollar empires on the practice, in fact. What this tells us is that the noble industries of "organic" products and dietary "supplements" pay people to lie about the efficacy and safety of such products, and pay them very handsomely. Do you object to these as well? Have you done so? I'd be interested to read those objections.

I'm not implying that two wrongs make a right, either; I'm stating that hypocrisy draws its paychecks from many competing sources, yet DU sees fit to condemn one species of hypocrite much more strongly than another.

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Watch Lobbyist Eat His Words After Saying Drinking Roundup Is �Not Dangerous to Humans� [View all] Scuba Mar 2015 OP

HA! K&R. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2015 #1

The guy is a sleaze of the highest order! Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #2

Hilarious! stone space Mar 2015 #3

"No, I'm not an idiot." Oilwellian Mar 2015 #4

I'd rather see him drink his words. KamaAina Mar 2015 #5

"Visible Results in 24 Hours!" ThoughtCriminal Mar 2015 #6

What the hell does "Rainproof in 30 minutes!" mean? KansDem Mar 2015 #7

I know, I wondered the same thing..must be an Iron Dome kind of thing..seals off any Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #8

I think it means it absorbs quickly and can't be washed off. Got that? Hekate Mar 2015 #9

Once it dries you can't get it off. louis-t Mar 2015 #10

It's penetrable enough Treant Mar 2015 #15

Good deal of information in your post. truedelphi Mar 2015 #32

I use DMSO on my feet for arthritis too, bvar22 Mar 2015 #43

getting ant-bit relieves your arthritis? any idea why? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #66

Can't speak for truedelphi (or ants) but... appal_jack Mar 2015 #177

interesting. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #208

The stories are anecdotal, but there are many.... bvar22 Mar 2015 #190

The craze goes on. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #134

it means the chemical won't wash off in the rain by 30" after being sprayed on to crops. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #64

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #11

I'm all for holding him down and pouring the shit down his throat mountain grammy Mar 2015 #12

+100. he said it was safe to drink; why wouldn't he want to drink it? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #67

Oh I dunno.. 'cause he's a shit-faced Liar? Cha Mar 2015 #119

He said because he's not an idiot. That made me laugh. Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #143

I held it together until the Good Doctor ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #13

"I am not an idiot" response should have been "DO you think WE are?". Vincardog Mar 2015 #14

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #16

"well, of course we'll change our minds once the science says so!" *smarm smarm* MisterP Mar 2015 #17

Thank You For Smoking: Documentary or instruction manual? You decide. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #18

The last ten years have me convinced that "Idiocracy" is a truedelphi Mar 2015 #33

Boom! Fuckin' whoring hypocrite Moore. nt valerief Mar 2015 #19

"I'd be happy to, not really" Enrique Mar 2015 #20

Patrick Moore says: "...I'm not stupid."; "No, I'm not an idiot."; and "You're a complete jerk!"n/t xocet Mar 2015 #49

Thanks for posting this. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #21

i'd bet on whore too. but not a very good one, it looks like. hope he gets fired and has to ND-Dem Mar 2015 #69

This is SO fine DFW Mar 2015 #22

+1! Cha Mar 2015 #120

Yet another world-class asshole is hoisted by his own petard! gregcrawford Mar 2015 #23

No one knows what a petard is. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #24

The definition of petard is known, but it's "hoist", not hoisted. Hoist is past tense of "hoise" Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #28

Sounds like I was wrong as many ways as I could've been wrong. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #35

No you were right. Go look for yourself. Rex Mar 2015 #37

Actually past/participle tense is 'hoisted' Rex Mar 2015 #36

It's both. they're alternate forms, but modern english uses 'hoisted' when 'lifted' is meant. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #71

Using "hoist" in the modern usage for "hoisted (sic) by his own petard" makes no sense Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #126

the modern usage works perfectly well. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #151

By all means, then, keep misquoting Shakespeare and defending it. n/t Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #225

since the phrase has entered the common parlance, few are "quoting", or misquoting, shakespeare, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #227

A petard was a small bomb used to blow up gates and walls... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #70

According to several references, bvar22 Mar 2015 #45

What a dope. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #25

A comment from crooksandliars: F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #26

Glyphosate is safer to drink than well water in fracking areas? Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #29

I believe the poster was joking. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #30

Yes, I did recognize the hyperbole, but still... Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #31

everything is safe for the poor to drink/eat/be exposed to, cause no one cares if they die. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #72

Melodramatic much? Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #127

SEE: "Cancer Corridor" in south Loiusiana. bvar22 Mar 2015 #193

I would say realistic. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #196

Ok, but it doesn't change the hyperbole, the melodramatic outpouring, or the fact that... Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #226

K&R 99Forever Mar 2015 #27

LOL! Where are all the GMO experts? They seem to be missing from this thread. Rex Mar 2015 #34

At Roundup Cocktail Hour of course. nt DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #42

Drinking "Roach Killers" - 1/2 shot of whiskey, 1 shot of Roundup, pineapple juice, bitters Initech Mar 2015 #59

This is a great challenge for the many Monsanto shills here. bvar22 Mar 2015 #46

From now on I am linking to the GMO EXPERT in all future GMO threads! Rex Mar 2015 #47

None of them have shown up in this thread yet. bvar22 Mar 2015 #50

Yeah this thread is getting bookmarked. We have a family garden out back that feeds Rex Mar 2015 #53

yeah, it's like they have a special computer program that alerts them to any negative ND-Dem Mar 2015 #75

We did something similar. Bought a small farm where no GMOs are allowed and we are surrounded sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #118

Congrats. bvar22 Mar 2015 #191

Thank you, we feel the same way. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #224

+1,000,000 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #74

I wonder if the organic shills would be willing to drink composted cow shit tea Major Nikon Mar 2015 #54

Where has someone claimed it is safe to drink composted manure tea? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #56

So it's safe to pour on your food, but not to drink? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #57

Where has someone claimed it is safe to drink composted manure tea? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #58

I hear quite often that composting shit kills all the pathogens Major Nikon Mar 2015 #61

when people claim things are safe to drink, they usually mean they're safe to drink. it's ND-Dem Mar 2015 #76

That was almost painful to watch. Rex Mar 2015 #78

It's not? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #80

So you will drink household vinegar! Excellent! Bottom's up man! Rex Mar 2015 #83

Did you wave at the point when it sailed over your head? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #86

Sorry I already used that one, think up your own material! Rex Mar 2015 #88

Seems a bit disingenuous to claim someone is lying when you can't manage to explain the lie Major Nikon Mar 2015 #90

oh the irony ND-Dem Mar 2015 #95

Lol, you can say that again. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #203

Perhaps I can manage to explain the lie, since it apparently sailed right over your head. cheapdate Mar 2015 #228

Ummm, no you explained nothing other than your own misrepresentation Major Nikon Mar 2015 #229

You have an inventive mind, which is good for writing fiction, not so much for matters of fact. cheapdate Mar 2015 #230

Ah so he actually meant "concentrated formulation" even though that's not what he specified Major Nikon Mar 2015 #231

Yes, your constant shifting, evasion, and bluster bores me as well. cheapdate Mar 2015 #232

But will he drink Round-Up, since he claims it's safe as vinegar? Administer the ND-Dem Mar 2015 #94

Lots of people drink vinegar and after I claimed it was safe to drink I wouldn't have any ND-Dem Mar 2015 #92

So anyone who claims vinegar is safe to drink... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #97

No one who claimed vinegar was safe to drink would say "Do you think I'm an idiot?" ND-Dem Mar 2015 #100

Anyone who would volunteer to drink vinegar to prove a point is an idiot Major Nikon Mar 2015 #101

Except people put vinegar on their food and also drink it (watered down) in home remedies. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #102

Thanks for the strawman nonsense Major Nikon Mar 2015 #107

lol. blowing smoke doesn't fool anyone. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #108

You stole my line! Major Nikon Mar 2015 #110

I've had a swig of vinegar more than once Fumesucker Mar 2015 #123

I could care less if you eat road apples Major Nikon Mar 2015 #141

I would think he would be more than happy to demonstrate the absolute safety of Roundup Fumesucker Mar 2015 #186

Umm, because it was never meant to drink maybe? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #194

"I could care less if you eat road apples" BeanMusical Mar 2015 #198

Urbandictionary. Edited by children. Major Nikon Mar 2015 #200

I picked Urbandictionary on purpose. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #201

Well bless your heart Major Nikon Mar 2015 #204

Lol! BeanMusical Mar 2015 #223

I like vinegar. It's the secret ingredient in all great cooking, y'know. immoderate Mar 2015 #202

And yet Roundup is still less toxic Major Nikon Mar 2015 #205

Vinegar also lacks the "hazard" warnings and disposal precautions that are on the Roundup label. immoderate Mar 2015 #206

Probably because vinegar isn't registered with the EPA as pesticide Major Nikon Mar 2015 #209

Relative ACUTE oral toxicity is not really the issue with glyphosate. immoderate Mar 2015 #211

How about coffee then? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #212

And I'm pointing out the irrelevance of what you're pointing out. immoderate Mar 2015 #218

So why reply at all? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #219

Non sequitur much? immoderate Mar 2015 #220

Please Major Nikon Mar 2015 #221

Well I won't join you for a drink of Roundup. immoderate Mar 2015 #222

It was Dr. Moore who said Round-Up was safe, and then said "I'm not an idiot" when invited ND-Dem Mar 2015 #207

"The only person who called anyone names, in fact, was Mr. Moore" Major Nikon Mar 2015 #210

in the recorded interview. i'm not sure why you would use pejoratives from the *interview* ND-Dem Mar 2015 #213

You're absolutely right. I should have used the other word for female prostitute Major Nikon Mar 2015 #214

maybe for male prostitute, doncha think? but i think it's the same word....who would know, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #215

No, I don't think so Major Nikon Mar 2015 #217

Then why appear to be lying on camera in front of a reporter? Rex Mar 2015 #77

Where's the lie? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #81

Says it is safe to drink, then when challenged to do so he says he is no fool. Rex Mar 2015 #82

So... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #84

Yes you shouldn't lie to someone while the camera is rolling, you learned something! Rex Mar 2015 #85

You have yet to explain where the lie is Major Nikon Mar 2015 #87

No I clearly explained it to you and you pretend not to understand. Rex Mar 2015 #89

Complete nonsense Major Nikon Mar 2015 #93

is what you spout, repeatedly, every time this topic comes up. One wonders at your devotion ND-Dem Mar 2015 #103

Likewise Major Nikon Mar 2015 #111

That was an awesome exchange!!! U4ikLefty Mar 2015 #112

Where are all these Monsanto shills advocating drinking herbicide? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #91

It's a great thread. The Monsanto shill revealed what an absolute tool he is, like all the ND-Dem Mar 2015 #98

Thank you for making my point. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #104

you didn't have a point. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #105

Oh I did. You just apparently didn't get it. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #106

Please, take the Round-Up Challenge. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #109

Why should I exactly? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #115

Because if you don't you are LYING! Major Nikon Mar 2015 #142

Arguably stupider Major Nikon Mar 2015 #114

"Think hammers are so great? Why don't you drop one on your foot!" NuclearDem Mar 2015 #116

Substitute teh scary roundup for something else... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #117

It's great to see a real reporter at work isn't it? We are so starved for actual news here we sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #63

I've given up on it here on DU and the M$M. Rex Mar 2015 #65

+1 Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #182

i was thinking we should get some of the most tenacious monsanto shills here to take the ND-Dem Mar 2015 #73

Oh that is good! Stealing it! Rex Mar 2015 #79

Not willing to put his Monsanto where his mouth is. calimary Mar 2015 #38

Yeah, let them drink Roundup and stand in fields that are sprayed day after day like the hospitals Cha Mar 2015 #122

You are the complete jerk, Patrick. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #39

This article links wheat allergies to round up used before harvest: robbob Mar 2015 #40

Another idiot from the Heartland Institute Mnpaul Mar 2015 #41

Politically speaking /nt think Mar 2015 #44

Priceless! Thanks for posting that. n/t xocet Mar 2015 #48

From Greenpeace: Patrick Moore background information Zorra Mar 2015 #51

This lobbyist does sound rather stupid. Archae Mar 2015 #52

Tell your mom she can drink that damn Roundup if she wants. It's safe as vinegar. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #99

Safer Major Nikon Mar 2015 #113

Take the Round-Up Challenge!!!!! ND-Dem Mar 2015 #153

Take the Bovine Excrement Challenge!!!! Major Nikon Mar 2015 #154

does that mean you're not gonna drink the round-up? too bad. and like the other guy, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #156

Neither I nor he said it was a good idea Major Nikon Mar 2015 #158

Yeah, the interviewer is a complete jerk. marym625 Mar 2015 #55

must watch later BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #60

OMG. He refuses to drink the glycophosphate, saying "I'm not a complete idiot," while ND-Dem Mar 2015 #62

Yet the TPP will be monitored and run by honorable men and women. Rex Mar 2015 #68

I have my eye on three posters.... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #96

Yup. The same three I've noted, as well. closeupready Mar 2015 #149

That kinda works both ways don't you think? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #165

not so much... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #166

Touchdown is far more toxic than Roundup Major Nikon Mar 2015 #171

... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #173

Is there a point somewhere in this? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #174

Yeah, "I may be an "idiot" enough to say "I'd drink it".. but, not Enough to actually Drink it! ROFL Cha Mar 2015 #121

What larger conclusions are people drawing from this guy's stupid misstatement? Orrex Mar 2015 #124

The larger point is that this so-called "expert" is a shill for Monsanto who uses his past ... Scuba Mar 2015 #125

So this guy's a poor spokesman. What do we conclude from this, and why? Orrex Mar 2015 #135

I honestly don't know who Deepak Chopra, Dr. Oz and Andrew Weil are. What's your point? Scuba Mar 2015 #139

Chopra, Oz & Weil are the three stooges of the bullshit "supplement" industry Orrex Mar 2015 #140

What the fuck does that have to do with Monsanto's Roundup, or their shill saying it was safe? Scuba Mar 2015 #157

We both agree that he was a dumbass for saying that. Why do you keep hammering that point? Orrex Mar 2015 #163

What it tells us is that Monsanto is paying people to lie about the safety of Roundup. Scuba Mar 2015 #170

Can you document that he lied and that he was paid to lie? Orrex Mar 2015 #185

How about Gilles-�ric S�ralini? Ever hear of him? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #150

What the fuck does that have to do with Monsanto's Roundup, or their shill saying it was safe? Scuba Mar 2015 #159

... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #160

No, that is the point, your distractions notwithstanding. Scuba Mar 2015 #161

Please explain exactly what the point is Major Nikon Mar 2015 #162

The point is Monsanto is paying shills to lie about the safety of Roundup. Scuba Mar 2015 #169

So where's the lie? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #172

Really? You can't find the lie? You know what? Scuba Mar 2015 #175

The proof of what he said just isn't that hard to find Major Nikon Mar 2015 #178

He said he would drink some. Then he refused to do so. Ergo, a lie. Scuba Mar 2015 #181

Sweet Jebus, THAT'S the lie? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #183

That's classic Renew Deal Mar 2015 #128

Wow! The straw men and deflectionistas try to strike again! And fail. djean111 Mar 2015 #129

Why would someone drink Roundup? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #130

Did you watch the clip? The guy being interviewed says it is safe to drink, and then refuses to djean111 Mar 2015 #131

Still not advocating drinking it. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #132

We were discussing a man saying Round-up is safe to drink and then refusing to drink it, because djean111 Mar 2015 #133

You'd have to be stupid to actively drink herbicides. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #136

Oh, I agree. And just as stupid to go on camera and say you would drink Round-up because it is djean111 Mar 2015 #137

No argument from me on that. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #138

Monsanto said the exact same thing about Agent Orange. bvar22 Mar 2015 #192

Right, because Agent Orange and glyphosate are the same thing. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #195

They said that DDT was innocuous too. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #197

Agent Orange was manufactured by government supplied specifications Major Nikon Mar 2015 #199

Pro-tip: Major Nikon Mar 2015 #144

I am calling straw man because drinking vinegar or whatever is being presented just as if djean111 Mar 2015 #146

So now you're going to tell me what my reason was for discussing something? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #147

It's straw science, Monsanto's irrefutable "Theory of Total Irrelativity". Zorra Mar 2015 #167

Bwahahaha! Seriously, thank you. djean111 Mar 2015 #168

Thanks for summing it up so nicely! Rex Mar 2015 #184

Deflectionistas, lol, I like it. +1 BeanMusical Mar 2015 #189

i've invited a couple to take the Round-Up Challenge!!!! So far, no one's said OK. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #216

K & R Thespian2 Mar 2015 #145

Slime ball. cwydro Mar 2015 #148

Reading some of these back and forth posts packman Mar 2015 #152

... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #155

Yah, that's it packman Mar 2015 #164

Better to eat your words than to drink your roundup. stone space Mar 2015 #176

ROFL It's safe to drink AND No, I won't drink it I'm not an idiot screw you journalist Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #179

I imagine Monsanto would point out that the product label says... Nitram Mar 2015 #180

Ah, humanity Android3.14 Mar 2015 #187

good for the interviewer - make people live what they advocate for others samsingh Mar 2015 #188