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F4lconF16

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24. Conservative talking points
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:28 PM
Mar 2015
“Party loyalty” is a curious thing. If, for example, one is familiar with the history of primary and general elections since, say, 1964 -- approximately one-half of a century -- there are several examples of a lack of party loyalty damaging a Democratic candidate’s chances for victory. Yet most of these were the result of the moderate-to-conservative wing of the Democratic Party. Indeed, the lone example that the moderate-to-conservative wing still attempts to blame on “the left” is the tired, weak argument concerning Ralph Nader in Florida in the 2000 election.

“If only the left hadn’t cast ‘protest votes’ for Nader -- believing that ‘there’s no difference’ between Bush and Gore -- we’d have won the election!” We still see this uninformed appeal to emotion, even on DU:GD discussions. It requires one to ignore the fact that Gore did win the vote in Florida, and the republican party/ US Supreme Court stole the election. This was very well documented in Vincent Bugliosi’s “The Betrayal of America: How the Supreme Court Undermined the Constitution and Chose Our President” (Thunder’s Mouth Press; 2001).

To blame the eventual outcome of that election on “the left” -- some of whom did vote for Nader -- makes as much sense as blaming the elderly Floridians who, confused by the “butterfly ballot,” cast votes for Patrick Buchanan. More, it ignores an important reality -- one documented in Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.’s “Journals: 1952 - 2000” (Penguin; 2007): a good many of the establishment Democrats voted for George W. Bush. The reason? Some disliked Al Gore for creating distance between himself and Bill Clinton, while others despised his choice for vice president.

Still, Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election. Any and all “blame” goes to the Supreme Court.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026420812

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And what did these people do to us! newfie11 Mar 2015 #1
I wish it had ended with Bush. /nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #5
So do I newfie11 Mar 2015 #7
Those that thought it was OK to vote for Nader because "there is no difference" should think about Renew Deal Mar 2015 #22
Conservative talking points F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #24
Feeling guilty? Renew Deal Mar 2015 #30
Dude, I was 6 years old when the election was stolen F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #31
Those that thought it was OK to allow Bush & the Supreme Court to steal Karmadillo Mar 2015 #35
Running that fucking lie up the flagpole again? 99Forever Mar 2015 #36
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Mar 2015 #2
Sadly, that is so true. Heartbreaking. RiverLover Mar 2015 #4
But they hate us for are freedumbs!!!``~~131 RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #3
Exactly. Reducing it to a preschooler's view of the world is the only way to justify these horrors. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #12
and counting... phantom power Mar 2015 #6
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #8
sounds like repug mass murder samsingh Mar 2015 #9
Except a Democrat has been in the White House the past five years. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #39
This is tragic. The War of Terror is addiction to genocide. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #10
These countries that we have ruined, Madmiddle Mar 2015 #17
We have been deceived, manipulated and made apathetic about voting. Reagan started it with Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #18
"Mission, Accomplished." blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #11
I'd rec this a million+ times if I could Cal Carpenter Mar 2015 #13
+1 RiverLover Mar 2015 #16
This sounds very low Doctor_J Mar 2015 #14
Hate to say this Madmiddle Mar 2015 #15
Yes. RiverLover Mar 2015 #19
and the horrifying truth is mountain grammy Mar 2015 #20
I wonder if Bin Laden considered the ramifications when he planned 9/11 Renew Deal Mar 2015 #21
K&R woo me with science Mar 2015 #23
We're supposed to forget those atrocities and who voted for them. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #25
If their "Practical Politics" calls for condoning the killing of 1.3 million people, Maedhros Mar 2015 #27
+1000 F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #28
And this is why I can not and will not support those that will not speak out against the MIC F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #26
I will not trade 1.3 million lives simply so we can claim victory in the tribal squabble Maedhros Mar 2015 #29
Evening kick. johnnyreb Mar 2015 #32
Who could have realized at the time MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #33
kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #34
It simply proves one thing beyond any doubt. 99Forever Mar 2015 #37
. riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #38
kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #40
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