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Babel_17

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107. This is a teachable moment ;)

Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:17 PM

Mar 2015

Maybe Rep. Delaney will learn something from this, and maybe the lesson learned won't be lost on other politicians.
Social Security can be improved, but this Commission is a joke. We've seen viable improvements discussed at length. We already know what to do.
We pretty much had this worked out back in 2008 (and earlier), and with a consensus as to it.
After seeing fortune after fortune sent the way of the 1% since then, I see efforts to cut benefits to older Americans as contemptible.
Increase the funding from those who've been doing great (and look at stock market speculators), and then make allowances for the younger generations that will live longer, and maybe can work longer. That's most of it, right there.
These people need to abandon the idea that the nation reaps any kind of benefit from cutting payments to struggling seniors. All their money goes back into the economy.
We need a Commission. A Blue Ribbon Commission of prominent Democrats who could use their bully pulpit to blast Democrats who trash our party's platform, out of some form of cheap expediency, or self aggrandizement.

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ANOTHER goddamned "DEMOCRAT" pushing for unnecessary Soc Security cuts - FASTTRACKING THEM. [View all] Triana Mar 2015 OP

So..... fredamae Mar 2015 #1

They are going to be more emboldened by the money from their oligarchy bankster owners. L0oniX Mar 2015 #21

Did you see that Wall St is threatening Dem Congressional funding Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #66

Yes.....Very revealing fredamae Mar 2015 #67

Boy, things are really shaping up for a fight, Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #69

Couldn't agree more fredamae Mar 2015 #73

Me too. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #108

The Republicans haven't been as strong in Congress since 1928 either. merrily Mar 2015 #159

Schumer also opposes primaries. merrily Mar 2015 #139

Another reason to vote Chuckie out! nt kelliekat44 Apr 2015 #200

Infiltrators and QUISLINGS- appalachiablue Apr 2015 #198

Fast-tracking has its place but not here. This is pure politics instead of pure policy. randome Mar 2015 #2

WHAT!!!! It's VERY necessary! Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #7

Or "there" either. marmar Mar 2015 #9

It's a pure attack against those who elected him. nt stillwaiting Mar 2015 #72

"Democrat" is starting to mean shit these days. djean111 Mar 2015 #3

The "prize" is a 7-figure salary when they are out of office Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #16

What a shame you think that Gman Mar 2015 #78

You might want to tell the Third Way that - they get little hit pieces on Liz Warren published in djean111 Mar 2015 #82

http://www.thirdway.org/ frylock Mar 2015 #83

And they even issued a press release about Delaney's cat food commission. They're delighted! octoberlib Mar 2015 #87

shocking! frylock Mar 2015 #94

There you go again Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #172

Yeah, well, Elizabeth Warren is a Democrat, cheapdate Mar 2015 #134

Yes, she is a Democrat - and the banks are pissed off and threatening because she is acting like djean111 Mar 2015 #162

The censure, coming from Harry Reid, Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #173

Yup. Exactly. djean111 Mar 2015 #174

See, dems and repubs are NOT the same... Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #4

Been trying to point that out for a while now - it is studiously ignored. djean111 Mar 2015 #8

Market Fundamentalists are like that... willfully obtuse Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #10

Wall Street banks threaten to withhold campaign funds from Dems in tantrum against Elizabeth Warren L0oniX Mar 2015 #27

Banksters Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #28

So the banksters are throwing a tantrum? Duval Mar 2015 #50

That would be great. Get the money out of politics. In fact I think any Dem who publicy sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #53

Wife and I and our kids were discussing what we can do , when, as to social security NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #5

Please do pay attention Oilwellian Mar 2015 #13

I get that, but the few democrats who want this cant get this if dems control everything, dont you NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #36

The Party Leadership ran the "Austerity FLags" up the pole... bvar22 Mar 2015 #177

Please pay attention heaven05 Mar 2015 #38

Republican support is a given Oilwellian Mar 2015 #90

when Barack Obama--SIGNS OFF-- heaven05 Mar 2015 #100

What do you suggest we do? 840high Apr 2015 #202

this is a DEMOCRAT trying to destroy social security. nt magical thyme Mar 2015 #34

From the party that keeps demanding my money so that these things WON'T happen FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #6

not too loudly...shhhhhh Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #12

"centrists" can go eat oligarchy shit! Oh wait! They already are. L0oniX Mar 2015 #25

Butt kissers? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #26

Wall Street banks threaten to withhold campaign funds from Dems in tantrum against Elizabeth Warren L0oniX Mar 2015 #29

This needs to be an OP every week, because every week we will see someone else blink. arcane1 Apr 2015 #203

The lemmings are already stampeding to Hillary. L0oniX Apr 2015 #204

Lily Ledbetter! Lily Ledbetter! LILY LEDBETTER!!! OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #63

I hate Lily Ledbetter. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #140

It's the candy sprinkles OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #186

a minor piece of legislation that extended the time frame for bringing an action under ND-Dem Mar 2015 #189

An article we all need to rub in the noses of all Dems, Reps - anyone... Triana Mar 2015 #11

Does anyone think the debt is ever going to be repaid? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #14

No, Congress sold its moral compass. Actually, Washington sold its moral compass, IMO. djean111 Mar 2015 #17

Wonder how much they sold it for? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #22

Bet it wasn't in anything like "good working order" either. Demeter Mar 2015 #47

Naaa. bvar22 Mar 2015 #179

It's sure never going to be paid by austerity SusanCalvin Mar 2015 #167

Article a bit mistaken econoclast Mar 2015 #97

Thomas link for the bill and the 6 cosponsors... PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #15

Scott Peters, worth over 100 million, my disgusting "New Dem" Rep, cosponsoring, natch stuffmatters Mar 2015 #88

This is why we must elect Sanders / Warren. L0oniX Mar 2015 #18

YES! nt Duval Mar 2015 #51

Delaney is a corporatist DINO LiberalEsto Mar 2015 #19

When it comes to winning elections they are "mostly" all DINO's. L0oniX Mar 2015 #23

K&R G_j Mar 2015 #20

Oh fuck no hootinholler Mar 2015 #24

I'm sure my "business Democratic" Senator mountain grammy Mar 2015 #30

The time has come aspirant Mar 2015 #31

I don't know about that. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #117

lets face it, BOTH parties are screwing us equally just for different reasons. NT fxstc Mar 2015 #32

I agree on the screwing part, but I think it is for the same reason - $$$ erronis Mar 2015 #40

There are only two changes that need to be made: first raise the cap and second raise the jwirr Mar 2015 #33

Congressional "pensions" need to be converted to 401Ks TBF Mar 2015 #35

unfortuately -so many are millionaires riversedge Mar 2015 #43

That's a good point - TBF Mar 2015 #54

Nah. Make em' work for free. AngryDem001 Mar 2015 #150

Their job IS a vacation - TBF Mar 2015 #165

God. There are soooo many reasons to LOATHE Congress..... AngryDem001 Mar 2015 #176

wow. those are the people telling us we don't work hard enough. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #190

Is he one of those Democrats we're suppose to be "loyal" to? However disloyal he may be? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #37

Tweeted. Liberalynn Mar 2015 #39

A lot of us raised a fearful stink over Simpson-Bowles bread_and_roses Mar 2015 #99

+100 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #147

Means testing doesnt really make much sense unless its for the already wealthy otherwise its shitty cstanleytech Mar 2015 #41

'insulate" lawmakers! whow. riversedge Mar 2015 #42

Delaney is the 6th Wealthiest member of Congress, both chambers, and the only former CEO of a Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #44

That explains quite a bit. avaistheone1 Mar 2015 #138

...Social Security does not face a crisis in funding..... riversedge Mar 2015 #45

Well time to call my congresscritters Yes I WILL riversedge Mar 2015 #49

Get rid of the cap on SS contributions groundloop Mar 2015 #56

It really is a simple solution but has not taken off over the years. riversedge Mar 2015 #59

It is the logic of the mugger econoclast Mar 2015 #98

it's a non-solution. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #144

Delaney is a good Democrat. Badass Liberal Mar 2015 #46

Fast tracking totally unnecessary CUTS to social security is "no big thing"? Triana Mar 2015 #62

Yeah, we should wait till it's too late, and then be "alarmist". SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #84

Delaney is a piece oif shit DINO and this a huge deal. Enjoy your visit. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #110

37 posts in total + Your user name + This post = Fishyasfuck. nt stillwaiting Mar 2015 #116

the pc response is "enjoy your stay." n/t PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #127

Been here for less than 2 days and not very subtle. That stay will be short. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #137

you want I should kick some Fishyasfuck ass, stillwaiting? Skittles Mar 2015 #145

I don't know what stillwaiting wants in that regard, but I want you should. merrily Mar 2015 #153

Please proceed to kick some Weakassconservative ass whenever it appears on DU. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #161

it's kind of a hobby for me, ya know? Skittles Mar 2015 #178

That poster's sig line is also kind of interesting. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #184

Fortune favors sociopaths, that's for sure Skittles Mar 2015 #185

Bye bye Badfake Liberal LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #181

So now some members of octoberlib Mar 2015 #48

I don't see why we don't just cut to the chase upaloopa Mar 2015 #52

+1 merrily Mar 2015 #129

EVERY time these bastards discuss this their answer is "Raise the Retirement Age".... groundloop Mar 2015 #55

That is the worst part, it is already 67. They are really shooting for 70+ TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #89

And yet we're expected to pull the lever for anyone with a "D" after their name... MindPilot Mar 2015 #57

Give me an example of a Republican's being better. I'll wait. And if you're only to going to say WinkyDink Mar 2015 #61

You're going to wait a long time... MindPilot Mar 2015 #79

How dare you criticize a Democrat on a Democratic message board. Broward Mar 2015 #58

Just in time to coincide with calls for more $$$$$$$$$$$$$ for "defense." WinkyDink Mar 2015 #60

So is GOTV gonna work with asses like this in the party? Or oh noes supreme court!!!!?? Autumn Mar 2015 #64

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #65

Primary the Republican bastard Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #68

The only "fast tracking" we should support is getting bums like these OUT OF OFFICE! cascadiance Mar 2015 #70

How many clicked this to see if it was Hillary? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #71

Oh, we know there are more bad apples out there than just Hillary. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #93

Probably no one... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #104

This turd has a net worth of over $150,000,000. QC Mar 2015 #74

No Democrat in my younger days would have ever betrayed the people this way Wella Mar 2015 #75

I tweeted this to Ed, Chris , Rachel & octoberlib Mar 2015 #76

All the more reason to make damn sure Gman Mar 2015 #77

Me think you better ask Hillary what she thinks about each of these changes to soc.sec.... TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #133

this is greenspuds fault. ELIMINATE THE CAP + lower the rate. pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #80

Ever notice ctsnowman Mar 2015 #81

Yes. LeftOfWest Mar 2015 #85

Damn good point! liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #95

no one can help but notice. same thing for their war games. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #141

This says it all. octoberlib Mar 2015 #86

The best way to "fix" SS is: bvar22 Mar 2015 #183

" Fast Tracking" has become the new ALEC strategy... first TPP now this cutting soc security stuffmatters Mar 2015 #91

It's a "polite" way of saying "BYPASS democratic processes" cascadiance Mar 2015 #96

+100 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #146

These people are suppose to represent us and they are cutting us out of the process. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #92

You're right. Not democracy. We have been betrayed. FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #101

Maybe once some of these so called Democrats start attacking gay rights and abortion rights, liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #102

Who said you can't creeksneakers2 Mar 2015 #119

The 1% is ok with those things. They have gay partners they want to share their wealth with. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #149

+100 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #148

Corporatists are liars. woo me with science Mar 2015 #192

And they want to increase the defense budget. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #103

check out his other introduction of HR 4786 onethatcares Mar 2015 #105

So John Delaney is a piece of Republican wannabe filth. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #106

This is a teachable moment ;) Babel_17 Mar 2015 #107

Whoa... onpatrol98 Mar 2015 #187

It hurt me too Babel_17 Mar 2015 #191

Just providing an opportunity to grandstand? Babel_17 Mar 2015 #109

That is why ann--- Mar 2015 #111

DINO raven mad Mar 2015 #112

If ANYTHING can spawn a viable 3rd Liberal Party, bvar22 Mar 2015 #113

I'd say it would more likely be a leftist party Cal Carpenter Mar 2015 #114

I've never met a "Liberal" yet who favored Cutting Social Security, bvar22 Mar 2015 #118

Economically, liberalism is not anti-capitalist Cal Carpenter Mar 2015 #121

Most (if not all) of the "Leftists" I have known for over 50 years... bvar22 Mar 2015 #122

Anti-capitalist is not the issue. Neither is anti-capitalism. merrily Mar 2015 #126

Social Security can be made solvent by taxing the wealthy the same as the middle class. YOHABLO Mar 2015 #115

Exactly! bvar22 Mar 2015 #120

Saving url for posting later in the year. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #123

It is solvent and would have been infinitely more solvent if politicians had not misusded OASDI fund merrily Mar 2015 #128

a salary of over a million a year IS taxed for contributions, up to $118,500. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #143

I know. My post certainly could have been worded better, merrily Mar 2015 #151

it does make sense. if the same percent of billionaires' incomes and peons' incomes is ND-Dem Mar 2015 #152

Disagree totally. Billionaires like Peterson are acting as though they own it anyway merrily Mar 2015 #154

But they don't own it. Which is why we haven't yet lost it. and since the "underfunding" ND-Dem Mar 2015 #155

Disagree with that too. We haven't lost it yet because merrily Mar 2015 #156

The public doesn't get to vote on it. If the PTB decide to change it, they can. All that holds ND-Dem Mar 2015 #157

I proferred no plan and stated no myth that OASDI is going under. To the contrary, I said it is merrily Mar 2015 #158

.... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #175

Yes, my Reply 158 accurately described Reply 128, to which your reply 175 links. merrily Apr 2015 #196

With this congress??? Not a chance!! Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #131

social security is ALREADY solvent. by going along with their narrative you already cede the ND-Dem Mar 2015 #142

Well, look now...... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #124

I'm curious as to what their proposal would be taught_me_patience Mar 2015 #125

No No No .. CPI. NO two more years of waiting. If anything, we should lower the age of eligibility YOHABLO Mar 2015 #132

First of all, workers pay into SS. It is their money. The government is trying to steal their money. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #135

It's DOA. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #130

Yet, here we have a Third Way fake Democrat proposing this shit LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #182

Things like that explain why I am becoming apathetic about politics. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #136

Righteous Rant! bvar22 Mar 2015 #180

Contact information eridani Mar 2015 #160

Hey folks--STILL plenty of room on all three answering machines. eridani Mar 2015 #194

I'm doing a Twitter war with him right now--he sez he's in facor of raising the cap eridani Mar 2015 #195

occupy Washington.... tomp Mar 2015 #163

"Catfood II" -- NOW, with STEROIDS! nt Buns_of_Fire Mar 2015 #164

How infuriating (as are so many things) SusanCalvin Mar 2015 #166

Seems any POS can be a "Democrat" these days... 99Forever Mar 2015 #168

Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em all. Fuck the whole gawdamned lot of them. If there is a hell, I hope they fry Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #169

And in other news.... Caretha Mar 2015 #170

Tweet.... Triana Mar 2015 #171

kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #188

Another corrupt politician doging accountability. blackspade Mar 2015 #193

Twitter war on Delaney eridani Apr 2015 #197

kick woo me with science Apr 2015 #199

The label of democrat does not mean one is a democrat. Many democratic politicians RKP5637 Apr 2015 #201