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salin

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36. My understanding as well... laws that put religious beliefs/rulings over secular ones.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:03 PM
Mar 2015

The ease of misapplication in wake of the Hobby Lobby SC ruling indicates a sense by some organizations that this is now the rule of law.

An absurd application - but a real intended application (the test of how future courts rule) will indicate whether we are moving towards a form of Sharia - not the "execution" form referred to by Wella - but in the form that religion trumps secular law (including the Constitution) was when a Catholic Diocese in Milwaukee, being sued for an extreme situation regarding charges against sexual molestation by priests of minors - involving the Diocese liability regarding how the concerns/charges were treated in ways that allowed for future cases to occur - requested a dismissal of the charges under "religious freedom" as indicated in the Hobby Lobby case.

Here is the challenge to watch. Under basic logic - to claim religious freedom per the Hobby Lobby ruling (to my understanding) the Diocese would have to claim that it is part of their religious doctrine - ascribed to by their parishioners - that priests have sexual access to minors - and thus that those actions were protected under religious freedom to exercise their religion. Of course, I know no Catholics (including many family members) who have ever indicated that this is part of their explicit doctrine.

Yet if we have crossed a rubicron to a new dimension - where all (Christian) churches are superior in doctrine and rights to civil rights as explicated in the Constitution, we will have indeed crossed into our own version of Sharia. And at least one extremely far right outlier recently proposed a state propisition in California to mandate executions for gays, and to require vigilante forces to enforce those executions if authorities (local, state) don't enforce within one year. Today this seems absurd. However, it indicates that while there is part of the population that would like religious beliefs to trump secular law (which would have been very fringe 15 years ago), that there is a (presumably small - hopefully) fringe already emerging that would like to legislate executions based on religious (fundamentalist) beliefs over civil law.

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in case you didn't know... Takket Mar 2015 #23
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If it were sharia, gays would be executed by the state. That's what sharia does. Wella Mar 2015 #31
"religious law" + executions = sharia law? Trillo Mar 2015 #33
My understanding as well... laws that put religious beliefs/rulings over secular ones. salin Mar 2015 #36
This. LeftOfWest Mar 2015 #39
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