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randome

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183. Corporations will go wherever the hell they want regardless.

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:19 AM

Mar 2015

What TPP does is establish a mechanism to resolve disputes so protectionism doesn't rule the day. That does not directly benefit workers but does every piece of legislation need to address workers? This is a corporate trade bill so of course it primarily concerns corporations.

That does not mean it will hurt workers.

Obama characterized the TPP as a rewrite of NAFTA. It remains to be seen whether worker protections are explicitly added but it's a little too soon to start complaining when we don't have a treaty to peruse yet, only a leaked draft.
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Now We Know Why Huge TPP Trade Deal Is Kept Secret From The Public [View all] Panich52 Mar 2015 OP

And this is just one chapter out of twenty-eight secret corporate-written chapters. djean111 Mar 2015 #1

Ironically, I heard someone use that very reason to PUSH the TPP Populist_Prole Mar 2015 #5

Yes, this issue has really shone a very bright light on that. djean111 Mar 2015 #7

This issue has shown some light around DU too. bvar22 Mar 2015 #112

+1 Scuba Mar 2015 #169

K&R woo me with science Mar 2015 #2

Trust us. Octafish Mar 2015 #3

Bush has nothing to do with this deal. donnasgirl Mar 2015 #13

Think again. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #16

Here is prt of the article, donnasgirl Mar 2015 #24

It was started under bush 1/reagan with nafta. TPP is a continuation of corporate globalization. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #43

And will be donnasgirl Mar 2015 #59

Call your Senators, Representatives and Whitehouse to express your opposition to this global Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #184

For more than a century these creatures have had their fingers in the muck gordianot Mar 2015 #18

Until i see proof donnasgirl Mar 2015 #22

Well you can read the article that was posted to you. Rex Mar 2015 #26

Yes i do donnasgirl Mar 2015 #29

SO again, what part do you need to see that would convince you? Rex Mar 2015 #30

Truthfully donnasgirl Mar 2015 #32

Well both sides are controlled by Wall Street. Rex Mar 2015 #33

Exellent post Rex donnasgirl Mar 2015 #34

It's surprising to watch lawmakers support disaster capitalism. Rex Mar 2015 #35

Bingo! Scuba Mar 2015 #170

TPP negotiations were started during George W Bush "administration." Octafish Mar 2015 #25

'was stalled in Congress under intense public pressure'. That was encouraging, that the public sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #89

TPP = Welfare for the Wealthy Octafish Mar 2015 #93

Wait, listen intently aspirant Mar 2015 #96

We need make sure it is not a Secret, We need to organize a day to Reps on this Issue lewebley3 Mar 2015 #4

It is TPP. Another, just as bad, IMO, currently negotiated agreement is the TTIP. djean111 Mar 2015 #8

Saw reports from Europe also, major issues. TPP, Global Corporate Coup D'etat, for the 1% appalachiablue Mar 2015 #65

Love Dave Johnson. One of the good guys fightin' & writin' for US! RiverLover Mar 2015 #6

I think the definition of 'expected' profits is missing from this conversation. randome Mar 2015 #9

And when do you suppose we'll have the full document to peruse? gratuitous Mar 2015 #14

NT ctsnowman Mar 2015 #19

I'll never say to blindly trust any politician. Even Obama. randome Mar 2015 #21

Yet you seemingly are blindly trusting corporations? Riiiggggghttt. Rex Mar 2015 #27

Congress isn't going to resolve every single trade dispute that comes up. randome Mar 2015 #36

OH no doubt there can always be something worse. Rex Mar 2015 #38

You're mistaken about those 27 chapters. randome Mar 2015 #42

The other treaties as far as I know don't override national sovereignty. Also they are secret to us. Rex Mar 2015 #46

You keep going on about that 4 year period. randome Mar 2015 #50

So what if it a one-time thing, why need 4 years at all? Rex Mar 2015 #81

This is being molded by the major corporations for their benefit ast our expense. It's that simple. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #144

How is this at our expense? What are we losing by corporations having access to other countries? randome Mar 2015 #166

Access to other countries doesn't necessarily hurt, but what the frack does "access" rhett o rick Mar 2015 #173

Corporations will go wherever the hell they want regardless. randome Mar 2015 #183

"How is this at our expense?" Ask Sen Brown rhett o rick Mar 2015 #180

Then he should vote 'No' as should everyone else who doesn't like the Investor definition. randome Mar 2015 #185

Been to the Mexican Border towns latly? bvar22 Mar 2015 #196

No, and I don't plan to. randome Mar 2015 #199

Educate yourself to the horrors of "Free Trade". bvar22 Mar 2015 #200

Yeah.... bvar22 Mar 2015 #205

You can sit around and wait for it to be made public Aerows Mar 2015 #49

What possible difference does it make to know how negotiations went before ratification? randome Mar 2015 #52

I'll pass Aerows Mar 2015 #55

Thanks. I'm embarrassed enough as it is. randome Mar 2015 #58

I'm not sure of anyone's motivations gratuitous Mar 2015 #83

Understandable but it doesn't preclude the need to beat China to the punch this time. randome Mar 2015 #168

Why a Tribunal? aspirant Mar 2015 #37

That way you don't have to worry about laws passed by nations. Rex Mar 2015 #40

It's a Global Corporate Coup D' etat, Buy-Partisan appalachiablue Mar 2015 #63

It is so stupid, that it will fail right out of the starting gate. Rex Mar 2015 #84

Hope so for sure. In the other post now about no word from POTUS on TPP a poster appalachiablue Mar 2015 #86

Yep. pa28 Mar 2015 #130

Congress certainly can't resolve a damned thing. randome Mar 2015 #45

"A more tightly interwoven economic system makes the prospect of war less likely." Rex Mar 2015 #48

No, it doesn't. Country E cannot impose high tariffs or bogus laws to keep a specific company out. randome Mar 2015 #53

If the picture is incomplete aspirant Mar 2015 #56

I don't. Since only one part of the treaty has been leaked, we don't have the full picture. randome Mar 2015 #60

Did the WH aspirant Mar 2015 #66

Klein is the same as you or me: he's making it up as he goes along with whatever info is available. randome Mar 2015 #71

Why would you refer me to Klein's guesses aspirant Mar 2015 #76

And who will enforce these laws? What standing does a tribunal with one UN member have? Rex Mar 2015 #78

Peace aspirant Mar 2015 #51

I would hope such things would be part of the consideration but so far I don't see any sign of it. randome Mar 2015 #57

Is Ezra Klein part aspirant Mar 2015 #61

Because human beings, by nature, are sneaky bastards. randome Mar 2015 #62

Are you saying that Ezra Klein aspirant Mar 2015 #68

Oh, come on, I was talking about your free market reference. randome Mar 2015 #70

A free and open market aspirant Mar 2015 #79

And Tribunal A tazkcmo Mar 2015 #192

Sure, it could work out that way. But let's see what the final draft has to say. randome Mar 2015 #198

I'm shocked that a far-left liberal like you would write such a thing. Shocked. Scuba Mar 2015 #171

I think we can look at allthe previous "Free Trade" Treaties, bvar22 Mar 2015 #194

Fair enough. But Obama has characterized the TPP as a rewrite of NAFTA. randome Mar 2015 #197

Obama "says" a lot of things. bvar22 Mar 2015 #201

So this is, in effect, the ceding of national sovereignty and laws hifiguy Mar 2015 #10

While we're calling the Cotton 47 traitors Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #12

Larry Summers and the Secret "End-Game" Memo Octafish Mar 2015 #28

"Fuck everyone who had anything to do with negotiating this monstrosity." Obama? L0oniX Mar 2015 #41

If you want to view trade dispute tribunals as ceding sovereignty, then it was done at least 20 Hoyt Mar 2015 #47

So your point is to give in to it and STFU? Got it. L0oniX Mar 2015 #69

Point is this is not something new, and some conspiracy by Obama to sell you down the river. Hoyt Mar 2015 #72

Glad to know who's side of the oligarchy fence you're on. L0oniX Mar 2015 #74

Oh come on now. This has been going on since the tea tax rebellion. L0oniX Mar 2015 #77

Secret star-chamber tribunals consisting of lawyers hifiguy Mar 2015 #80

kr ND-Dem Mar 2015 #11

Thank Jeebus for Wikileaks!! AzDar Mar 2015 #15

a plug for Johnson: Widely regarded as one of the most knowledgeable cali Mar 2015 #17

Call your Senators, Representatives and Whitehouse to express your opposition to this global Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #20

I'll wait for the final version before judging n2doc Mar 2015 #23

If "labor organizers are murdered," that is a criminal offense, not a possible Hoyt Mar 2015 #31

Like Coke had people killed for trying to organize a union in S. America. L0oniX Mar 2015 #39

And how Coke created the orange drink, FANTA just for the Nazis during WWII to appalachiablue Mar 2015 #67

And this thing will probably be rammed through anyway Lee-Lee Mar 2015 #44

It is rather odd Aerows Mar 2015 #54

+1000. closeupready Mar 2015 #190

Name the negotiators. Skidmore Mar 2015 #64

Michael Froman is the US Trade Representative, appointed by Obama. Each of the 12 countries involved Hoyt Mar 2015 #75

That is how NAFTA works, and it isn't secret BainsBane Mar 2015 #73

So do I understand that you are fully onboard for Fast Tracking the TPP? nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #174

No, you do not understand at all BainsBane Mar 2015 #189

Those interested in knowing such things ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #82

So... aspirant Mar 2015 #85

Not the point. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #87

Getting to the point. aspirant Mar 2015 #88

If you are interested ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #90

The People's Way. aspirant Mar 2015 #91

If you're not happy with the process ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #95

Aren't you an appropiate person? aspirant Mar 2015 #98

Actually, no, I'm not the appropriate person. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #101

"Behind Closed Doors" is that an NSA thing? aspirant Mar 2015 #107

No, I am not an expert. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #119

Progress aspirant Mar 2015 #124

Fine. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #125

Change aspirant Mar 2015 #127

I post here ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #128

Posting has meaning and transparency, a worthy goal. aspirant Mar 2015 #132

I am amused ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #133

Are you also amused aspirant Mar 2015 #134

My posts in the HRC group ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #135

So... aspirant Mar 2015 #136

So ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #138

Will you be in secret negotiations aspirant Mar 2015 #139

If I knew what you were on about ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #140

Not knowing aspirant Mar 2015 #143

So supporting HRC ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #145

Obama hasn't finished his term aspirant Mar 2015 #146

Hmm, yeah, okay ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #147

You betcha, right aspirant Mar 2015 #148

The fact that you believe ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #150

Nice try aspirant Mar 2015 #152

Given that ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #154

Life is all about choices and aspirant Mar 2015 #160

If you think ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #162

You said that aspirant Mar 2015 #163

Should I start with ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #164

We all learn from our mistakes aspirant Mar 2015 #165

So you post for amusement in GD, but you're serious in the HRC group? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #202

You did not say this before, so you cannot say it now? WillTwain Mar 2015 #115

I'm still waiting for those links ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #151

Tell her to check every post you have ever made. That is her gig. WillTwain Mar 2015 #110

From the Hope and Change president, who ran on transparency WillTwain Mar 2015 #92

More transparency in gov't does not mean ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #97

Only the things that matter, like wages and benefits. Another failure for the POTUS. WillTwain Mar 2015 #100

Okay, let me educate you. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #104

Are you fervantly fighting aspirant Mar 2015 #108

One need not be an "expert educator" ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #113

Opinions can be shared. aspirant Mar 2015 #120

When DU discussions ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #123

Evolve or Devolve? aspirant Mar 2015 #126

Are you serious? See nearly every post you have made on TPP spanning months. WillTwain Mar 2015 #109

In other words ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #116

Believe me your interpretation of my words means very little to me. The Transparant President, OK WillTwain Mar 2015 #118

LINK or SLINK. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #121

You are walking to the end of a plank WillTwain Mar 2015 #122

I don't know what you're on about with the "yawn comment". NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #131

You are somewhat famous for your pretentious "yawn." Do not make me expose it. WillTwain Mar 2015 #153

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Nance, I am not as you say "a fucking liar." WillTwain Mar 2015 #156

LINK or SLINK. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #158

"Another yawn like Trumka's warning?" Does this ring a bell? WillTwain Mar 2015 #204

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Mr. Trumka's words speak for themselves WillTwain Mar 2015 #208

As you are speaking for Nance, please have her apologize the "yawn" comment is posted WillTwain Mar 2015 #210

Oh, and her post Jeff Rosenzweig Mar 2015 #207

Does Nance have a response to the Yawn quote posted that she wrote but denied writing. WillTwain Mar 2015 #209

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Jury results for 193 DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #203

Victory lap? Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #212

It's information. And yes, I'm the alerter. Further questions? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #213

Good jury results. 840high Mar 2015 #215

? Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #217

It's information. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #216

Let me know if you find a point to make. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #218

I made my point. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #220

This sucks! I like NanceGreggs. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #214

I believe Nance got the boot for too many offenses. WillTwain Mar 2015 #221

I suggest you both use ignore. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #222

I just want to say WillTwain Mar 2015 #224

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Sorry I missed that Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #223

I know everything I need to know about you. You filled in all the gaps with a few words. WillTwain Mar 2015 #225

Who gives a shit? Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #228

Friend of Nance? WillTwain Mar 2015 #229

Long before you dropped in here. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #230

You are her equal WillTwain Mar 2015 #231

The only way you can teach me is if you email me a wiki page. WillTwain Mar 2015 #232

Public Awareness, sunshine matters. aspirant Mar 2015 #103

Yes, NAFTA was fast-tracked and that ended well for us. WillTwain Mar 2015 #105

Greater transparency in gov't ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #111

Transparency: The greater or lesser evil aspirant Mar 2015 #114

To place the TPP with "every" other is illogical. It is big. WillTwain Mar 2015 #117

I'm interested.. I didn't know that. You'd think from reading "Secret!" around here for the last Cha Mar 2015 #94

Many hoped he changed and lived up to his word on transparency WillTwain Mar 2015 #102

Like Nance said.. these trade deals have always been in secret.. there's more involved than just Cha Mar 2015 #149

So you're response to those that want more transparency (like BO promised), rhett o rick Mar 2015 #176

Thanks. 840high Mar 2015 #219

Wrong Nance, not ALL trade agreements are in secret RiverLover Mar 2015 #167

Do you have a point here? Do you support Fast Tracking the TPP? nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #175

Do you understand what 'Fast Track' means? randome Mar 2015 #179

Yes I know what it means. It means limited debate and up or down vote. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #182

So some economists and progressives have raised concerns? Good! randome Mar 2015 #186

My question was which economists and progressive favor the TPP? rhett o rick Mar 2015 #187

It's also naive to think Obama doesn't understand those concerns. randome Mar 2015 #188

This is wrong thinking: "I will never say to trust anyone blindly but he is not someone who wants to rhett o rick Mar 2015 #191

Don't you get it? OrwellwasRight Apr 2015 #234

Well we can secede from the USA I guess. glinda Mar 2015 #99

We need to kick the damn conservatives out of the Democratic Party. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #178

I am on board with that! glinda Mar 2015 #233

The TPP is an act of treason. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #106

It's secret for a reason. It's dangerous and will harm the American working class while GoneFishin Mar 2015 #129

...^ that 840high Mar 2015 #137

OK, i'll be the lone dissenter: the TPP is beneficial. Yorktown Mar 2015 #155

You forgot the sarcasm and rolling on floor laughing smilies in your post. (nm) Elwood P Dowd Mar 2015 #159

I like using smileys Yorktown Mar 2015 #161

Your naivity is awesome. How I miss the days of my childhood. Scuba Mar 2015 #172

And you have some source for your "theory"? rhett o rick Mar 2015 #177

Pie in the sky conspiracy theories? OrwellwasRight Apr 2015 #235

But he's so cute Doctor_J Mar 2015 #181

another reason I'm not happy w/Pres. O wordpix Mar 2015 #211