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uppityperson

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36. We are at our worst when we judge and demonize based on fears

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:35 PM

Mar 2015

I argue that there should be well reasoned reaction to this tragedy, not emotion based over reactions like happened after 9/11.

Being out of control is difficult (passenger on a metal tube thousands of feet in the air), dying at the hands of a mass murderer in an incident like this is awful.

But to claim that people who have or have had mental health issues, which is most of the population, should lose their medical privacy because of this act of this man is wrong.

You claim "there are still many on this forum who would contend that this guy had a complete right to medical privacy and that his mental health should not be highlighted". I would love to see what you mean as I have not read that. I have read what I wrote above in various other forms. It seems disingenuous to me to see such claims made.

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'I'm planning a (heinous) act that will be remembered forever'... [View all] Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 OP

Sadly, I guess, he will be forgotten within a year or two. The crash won't but he will. Shrike47 Mar 2015 #1

Well, he will have had his '15 minutes of fame', albeit Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #2

It might have been nice if she had reported this to the airlines. Chemisse Mar 2015 #3

Was she so afraid of him that she didn't dare for fear Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #4

She will regret not reporting him for the rest of her life. mnhtnbb Mar 2015 #5

Just too horrible to contemplate. She's been hiding Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #9

yup Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #16

He told her, supposedly, that he was getting psychiatric care. randome Mar 2015 #17

I agree. Chemisse Mar 2015 #18

And I agree with that. Maybe she should have been more aware of the consequences than most. randome Mar 2015 #21

More like hindsight quarterbacking at this point... TeeYiYi Mar 2015 #30

Why didn't his parents report his problems? malaise Mar 2015 #29

Maybe because like so many parents, they remained willfully blind...? Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #32

Or unwilling to look deeper than his facade to see the illness underneath. Chemisse Mar 2015 #53

My pilot, my son...unhappily, all too common. Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #54

No matter what the laws are, I would feel a personal moral and ethical duty to warn someone. Sienna86 Mar 2015 #6

even if he had mentall illness it sounds like he was aware JI7 Mar 2015 #7

Being mentally ill does not mean your perception Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #10

not always JI7 Mar 2015 #14

Of course, I'm generalizing for the sake of brevity. Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #15

Then why make a statement like that? enlightenment Mar 2015 #22

Didn't feel like going into a multi-� expos� on the Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #23

Then perhaps you should enlightenment Mar 2015 #33

In as much as this is the lead news story in every Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #35

Given that enlightenment Mar 2015 #37

I have mental issues, yeah. I also fly fairly frequently. Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #61

link? elehhhhna Mar 2015 #8

Oh, thanks for asking. Forgot! Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #11

Isn't that a tabloid? ann--- Mar 2015 #79

There are several links in the OP to more reliable sources... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #80

The Daily Mail? oberliner Mar 2015 #12

OK then, here's another...although the DM is often first off the mark Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #13

The Mail has now removed the word 'heinous' from the quote of the ex-girlfriend muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #19

One would hope she wasn't aware of his 'heinous' intentions... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #20

Agree about the DM--purposely didn't use it as a source for an OP Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #24

All are attributing to the original source, the story in Bild pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #26

True, and 'lost in translation' may explain why some Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #28

She really should have reported him via the system set up Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #25

Failure to report in France can be prosecuted under Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #27

"Unerlassene Hilfeleistung" DFW Mar 2015 #74

Preach it, brother..."The mental health records?...It is his employer's DUTY to know them!" Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #75

Yes, I saw that DFW Mar 2015 #76

OMG, the panic...did you get calls from the States, too? Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #83

Of course-but later DFW Mar 2015 #86

Yes, know the time-lag problem well. Can never just Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #92

I agree ann--- Mar 2015 #78

But, that's precisely what's at issue here. German doctors Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #84

How about that right to mental health privacy? kcr Mar 2015 #31

No, not bigotted, just in the real world, where Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #34

The real world filled with mass murderers around every corner? kcr Mar 2015 #62

A real world where hundreds of thousands of flyers Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #64

Nothing wrong with reassurance kcr Mar 2015 #71

On the professional pilot forum I sometimes read, opinion is very divided Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #72

Opinion is divided on a forum? Unheard of! kcr Mar 2015 #81

Yeah, who knew? A divergence of views! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #82

No way to know for certain what would have happened since it already happened kcr Mar 2015 #93

Yes, this issue is at the crux of 'open and free' societies... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #94

I'm not arguing from a personal liberty POV kcr Mar 2015 #95

True that 'if they really want to kill you, they will'... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #96

I'm sure it is important to the airline industry and their bottom line kcr Mar 2015 #97

Rather shortsighted POV, if I may say so. If nobody will Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #98

It wouldn't be the desired outcome. Which is why I don't think everyone will just stop flying. kcr Mar 2015 #99

There are serveral anxious flyers just in my immediate entourage. After such a catastrophe, Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #100

Flying produces a lot of anxiety in some people and always has. kcr Mar 2015 #101

True, back in the day, flying used to be a fairly pleasant experience... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #103

We are at our worst when we judge and demonize based on fears uppityperson Mar 2015 #36

Certainly do not wish to appear to be 'disingenuous', UP... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #38

Did you see the latest on his vision problems? uppityperson Mar 2015 #43

Yes, his vision problems and probable consultations were mentioned in the BBC article... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #47

sleep aids cause vision problems KMOD Mar 2015 #55

Did not know that...thanks. Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #56

what about bus drivers? teachers? arely staircase Mar 2015 #39

Definitely, anyone operating potentially deadly machinery Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #48

ok arely staircase Mar 2015 #49

I had a feeling that cwydro Mar 2015 #40

So did I, the moment they said his breathing in the cockpit Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #42

I see that you're taking flak in this thread cwydro Mar 2015 #41

Thank you for understanding...it's at the top of every Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #44

It's all over CNN here non-stop. cwydro Mar 2015 #46

Yes, he'd been consulting doctors about it, apparently... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #51

There are some good reports on Der Spiegel malaise Mar 2015 #50

It's frontpage news in every European media outlet, serious and otherwise... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #57

Mass murder is part of the E! entertainment culture... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #45

Well said...LOL! What's a sociopath to do! Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #52

feel free to post your protected health information here when you get a chance frylock Mar 2015 #58

How silly...why would I do that on an open forum? Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #59

just because you are THEORETICALLY willing to hand over your private life mopinko Mar 2015 #63

An entire safety-sensitive industry cannot be monitored on a case by case basis, relying Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #65

and no matter how many members here tell you that you are being mopinko Mar 2015 #68

Once again, I repeat my contention that mandatory Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #69

Posters are allowed to have differing opinions. cwydro Mar 2015 #85

Hey, cwydro, thanks for getting my back. Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #87

I hate when DUers try to tell others cwydro Mar 2015 #88

Couldn't agree more...reveals a disturbing authoritarian bent, IMHO... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #89

True dat. cwydro Mar 2015 #91

'...in infamy.' n/t moondust Mar 2015 #60

Shit just got real. Initech Mar 2015 #66

Yeah, Lufthansa's legal crew is burning the midnight oil Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #67

I can imagine. Initech Mar 2015 #70

Pure and simple... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #73

Why didn't she say something to ann--- Mar 2015 #77

Very personal issue...maybe she was just so glad Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #90

Her mistake ann--- Mar 2015 #109

He had the makings of a successful CEO. A true sociopath. nt valerief Mar 2015 #102

Sadly, yes, he missed his calling. Tragically bad career orientation... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #104

There is no "right to mental health privacy" once a person is dead, and especially after they've MADem Mar 2015 #105

No 'right to mental health privacy' indeed. It's becoming Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #106

I suspect that this "accident" (and I put it in quotes for a reason--as it was a mass murder) will MADem Mar 2015 #107

Lots of discussion about just this professional threat Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #108

Once we get past a bit of a bumpy period--and they'll probably roll it out with cargo aircraft, to MADem Mar 2015 #111

Parachutes for planes? Who knew...I'd certainly never Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #112

Yeah, they exist--and one manufacturer says they 'might' have saved the Germanwings pax. MADem Mar 2015 #113

Hey, thanks for bringing this! Astonishing... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #114

That's what I've always thought, myself. MADem Mar 2015 #115

Thanks...I'd never thought of this in my wildest imagination! Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #116

This from the continuous coverage in the German press... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #110