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pa28

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Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:11 PM Mar 2015

TPP contains a provision for bailing out derivative losses. Is this what re-negotiating NAFTA means? [View all]

Last edited Sun Mar 29, 2015, 12:47 AM - Edit history (2)

You probably remember President Obama's pledge during the campaign of 2008 to re-negotiate NAFTA on behalf of unions and environmentalists.

Never happened. However, as part of Obama's effort to sell the Trans Pacific Partnership the administration has depicted the agreement as an improved trade deal that would fix NAFTA's problems and make good on the President's promise.

Sounds good but the leaked environmental and investment chapters say it's not true.

TPP widens the scope of an "investment" to derivatives, opening the door for compensation from governments in the event of losses resulting from new law or regulation. Derivatives are side bets on the performance of an investment that have no equity stake in the underlying security or commodity price. Derivatives are NOT an investment and the scale of the derivatives market far exceeds that of the cash value of stock markets. This means a massive increase in taxpayer exposure to losses and increased incentive for banks to ramp up leverage and risky bets without actually investing in the economy.

Investment means every asset that an investor owns or controls, directly or indirectly, that
has the characteristics of an investment, including such characteristics as the commitment
of capital or other resources, the expectation of gain or profit, or the assumption of risk.
Forms that an investment may take include:
(a) an enterprise;
(b) shares, stock and other forms of equity participation in an enterprise;
(c) bonds, debentures, other debt instruments, and loans;23
(d) futures, options and other derivatives;


NAFTA limited the definition of an investment to money directly connected with an enterprise.

The leaked environment chapter also loosens rather than strengthens protections included in trade deals as recently as the Bush administration.

Sierra Club: Obama’s record on environment and trade worse than George W. Bush

Environmentalists told the New York Times that the Obama Administration was “retreat[ing] on a variety of environmental protections — including legally binding pollution control requirements and logging regulations and a ban on harvesting sharks’ fins — to advance a trade deal . . . .” Further the Sierra Club’s Ilana Solomon, saying “the draft omits crucial language ensuring that increased trade will not lead to further environmental destruction.” The problems in the draft are detailed in their Joint Analysis.

In a press release Michael Brune, executive director of the Sierra Club says: “If the environment chapter is finalized as written in this leaked document, President Obama’s environmental trade record would be worse than George W. Bush’s. This draft chapter falls flat on every single one of our issues – oceans, fish, wildlife, and forest protections – and in fact, rolls back on the progress made in past free trade pacts.”


Banks and corporations are negotiating this agreement with former bankers and lobbyists who were paid huge exit bonuses to draft TPP on behalf of the American public. It's true that NAFTA is being "re-negotiated" by this agreement but it seems to me we're replacing it with something even worse.
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The most corporate friendly president in history Doctor_J Mar 2015 #1
Like Clinton before him... appal_jack Mar 2015 #25
hardly in history; you're exaggerating there. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #45
Holy shit... dixiegrrrrl Mar 2015 #2
exactly. Gambling. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #3
Yes, they are bets. Not investments. pa28 Mar 2015 #5
Because the banks wrote the gambling language dixiegrrrrl Mar 2015 #21
Absolutely none. They know they are free to pillage. nt mother earth Mar 2015 #33
+1 woo me with science Mar 2015 #43
We are bought and sold. We are exploited like farm animals for the profit of a corrupt elite. woo me with science Mar 2015 #15
Well said. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #18
+100 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #46
the 1 % are gonna use it as the questionseverything Mar 2015 #36
Or as Warren Buffett... sendero Mar 2015 #39
k & r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #4
K&R. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #6
So if they file in the tribunals and win, aspirant Mar 2015 #7
the only thing that makes me happy about this is dixiegrrrrl Mar 2015 #41
K&R Scuba Mar 2015 #8
Kick to expose CORRUPTION woo me with science Mar 2015 #9
TO THE GREATEST PAGE. THIS IS IMPORTANT. woo me with science Mar 2015 #10
Thank you pa28!!! RiverLover Mar 2015 #11
Excellent points. mmonk Mar 2015 #12
ever notice that nothing leaked about the TPP looks good for working americans, yet KG Mar 2015 #13
+1 And notice how the corporate mouthpieces avoid this thread woo me with science Mar 2015 #14
That's how I'm seeing these leaked documents. pa28 Mar 2015 #31
Those people don't care about issues such as corrupt banks, wars, jobs and health care Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #37
So let me get this straight on the TPP Broward Mar 2015 #16
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #17
Public money to cover private losses. It should be criminal except this is the law. nt Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #19
Obama has been the most disappointing politician in my lifetime Oilwellian Mar 2015 #20
His presidency epitomizes the corruption of our government from representation into corporatism. woo me with science Mar 2015 #22
Nor is it making any pretense of such, soon I hope our nation will have its own mother earth Mar 2015 #40
Does he play aspirant Mar 2015 #48
First, please clue me in, who, what & why? mother earth Mar 2015 #53
It really seems like the TPP/TTIP is just a direct assault on so many of the things that stillwaiting Mar 2015 #23
Reversing decades of hard won progressive legislation is nearly impossible in the open. pa28 Mar 2015 #35
I don't think anyone is looking at the details here. randome Mar 2015 #24
Third Way incoherence/redirection/talking points. woo me with science Mar 2015 #26
Enjoy your Sunday Downer, then. randome Mar 2015 #27
The exposure of deliberate corruption is not a "downer." woo me with science Mar 2015 #28
+1. Anyone defending this anti-democratic piece of garbage is suspect. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #29
K & R. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #30
K&R for visibilty Populist_Prole Mar 2015 #32
There is a global plutocracy beating every nation into slavery & debtocracy, how long do we endure mother earth Mar 2015 #34
+1000000 How long, indeed. woo me with science Mar 2015 #38
, allforone Mar 2015 #42
K&R liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #44
kr ND-Dem Mar 2015 #47
Un-Fucking-Believable... AzDar Mar 2015 #49
Fighting the last war reminds me of two guys in a nursing home fighting over some CK_John Mar 2015 #50
k&R nt/ think Mar 2015 #51
K&R nenagh Mar 2015 #52
K&R marym625 Apr 2015 #54
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