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In reply to the discussion: Can We Have An Open Honest Discussion About Progressives, Civil Rights, And Income Inequality ??? [View all]Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)7. I sometimes wonder if you think blocking economic justice will increase social justice
I had an OP up a little while back about social justice in the crab bucket, in our society it isn't the best crab who wins, it's the best connected crab. There's an old saying in racing that if you ain't cheating you ain't trying, I think they brought that over from bidness though.
It seems to me that in a world where connections rather than ability are becoming ever more important to social and economic success that those who don't already have connections are at a distinct disadvantage over those who do.
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/02/18-us-presidents-were-in-college-fraternities/283997/
Fraternities breed leaders. That, at least, is what most any chapter website will tell you, in not so many wordsand the message certainly makes for a compelling rationale for joining the Greek system. It seems, too, to be borne out by the hard numbers. While only eight and a half percent of American male college students is a member of a fraternity, University of Kentucky professor of communication Alan DeSantis points out in his 2007 book, Inside Greek U: Fraternities, Sororities, and the Pursuit of Pleasure, those who are tend to cluster in one particular sweet spot of society: the top.
Citing data from the Center for the Study of College Fraternity, DeSantis charts some impressive figures. Fraternity men make up 85 percent of U.S. Supreme Court justices since 1910, 63 percent of all U.S. presidential cabinet members since 1900, and, historically, 76 percent of U.S. Senators, 85 percent of Fortune 500 executives,and 71 percent of the men in Whos Who in America. And thats not counting the 18 ex-frat U.S. presidents since 1877 (thats 69 percent) and the 120 Forbes 500 CEOs (24 percent) from the 2003 list, including 10or one-thirdof the top 30. In the 113th Congress alone, 38 of the hundred Senate members come from fraternity (and, now, sorority) backgrounds, as does a full quarter of the House. Is there something inherent in the fraternity culture that sends its members to the countrys top echelons?
Citing data from the Center for the Study of College Fraternity, DeSantis charts some impressive figures. Fraternity men make up 85 percent of U.S. Supreme Court justices since 1910, 63 percent of all U.S. presidential cabinet members since 1900, and, historically, 76 percent of U.S. Senators, 85 percent of Fortune 500 executives,and 71 percent of the men in Whos Who in America. And thats not counting the 18 ex-frat U.S. presidents since 1877 (thats 69 percent) and the 120 Forbes 500 CEOs (24 percent) from the 2003 list, including 10or one-thirdof the top 30. In the 113th Congress alone, 38 of the hundred Senate members come from fraternity (and, now, sorority) backgrounds, as does a full quarter of the House. Is there something inherent in the fraternity culture that sends its members to the countrys top echelons?
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Can We Have An Open Honest Discussion About Progressives, Civil Rights, And Income Inequality ??? [View all]
WillyT
Mar 2015
OP
I sometimes wonder if you think blocking economic justice will increase social justice
Fumesucker
Mar 2015
#7
I've spent time in both worlds, the one with heavy duty connections and the one without
Fumesucker
Mar 2015
#13
As you move up society your responsibility becomes less and less, you can get away with more
Fumesucker
Mar 2015
#86
+100000 Which illustrates how cynical and empty and manipulative the Third Way exhortations
woo me with science
Mar 2015
#62
That alert should be alerted on. It is an abuse of the Jury system and violates
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#110
Excellent jury. I agree with juror #2 that the alerter should be suspended for calling a longtime
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#109
The Third Way claim of caring most about women and minorities is a cynical, vicious lie.
woo me with science
Mar 2015
#14
Two plus two equals five! A predictable Orwellian, avoidant, disingenuous response.
woo me with science
Mar 2015
#31
More on the ACTUAL aftermath of neoliberal policies on women, children, and minorities.
woo me with science
Mar 2015
#46
I don't know what's worse. The OP using a rich, old white man to somehow "dispute" the validity
Number23
Mar 2015
#85
The thing about this thread: you've got posters of color, women and gay posters flat out
Number23
Mar 2015
#106
On top of the condescending bullshit is the most laughable suggestion of all-
bettyellen
Apr 2015
#129
This is the guy who told me 'rights don't matter if you need a job, can't eat your rights'
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#52
No, I'm talking to you. Every time, you are circling the wagons for the upper crust and poo pooing
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#101
Yes, and Hillary did NOTHING for Walmart's women employees whilst on their BoD
closeupready
Mar 2015
#59
Equity in poverty and lack of opportunity is a sales pitch to sand off a few rough edges while
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#93
I season my greens with spices not with swine and my little girl isn't born yet but she is
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#96
+1. The whole point of triangulation is "how little can I offer you and still get your vote?"
winter is coming
Mar 2015
#34
+100000 It's a vicious, disingenuous scam, the neoliberal claim to care about civil rights
woo me with science
Mar 2015
#50
Can you explain to me how the legal discrimination in employment in 29 States against LGBT
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#23
You notice not one of the people making these assertions is able to discuss specific points raised.
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#45
As we're seeing in Indiana right now, economic rights ARE civil rights. [n/t]
Maedhros
Mar 2015
#108
Carlin was a rich white guy, worth millions and he was very aware that his counterparts who were
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#42
Did you read what I wrote? Carlin does not say what the OP claims. Carlin did not shit on others
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#48
And where's the part where he says those who are disenfranchised compared to George should not
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#60
I don't think anyone is suggesting that Carlin "others wanting to have equal treatment was wrong"
FLPanhandle
Mar 2015
#63
But the OP is the one dividing people to serve rich politicians. Sorry. He exploited George to
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#70
You never bothered to answer my first question to you in this thread. WTF indeed.
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#111
Being held as an equal human being entitled to the same considerations and protections
MerryBlooms
Mar 2015
#57
For progressives it's not civil rights OR economic rights. It's AND. Neither should be ignored.
pampango
Mar 2015
#61
Please See Post #71... And... The Point I Was Making Was About The ThirdWay Theory...
WillyT
Mar 2015
#74
'Give THEM the rights that costs us no money'? Are you serious, straight man?
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#112
I... Value Them Equally... It's The Roadblocks That Politicians (Republicans) Put Up...
WillyT
Mar 2015
#116
What good compassionate progressive does not like being called a racist and mysoginist?
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#103
I think that identity politics has largely been designed to distract us from economic populism.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2015
#115