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DirkGently

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54. Well a woman is in the "forefront" of this AZ bill you posted.

Sun Mar 29, 2015, 11:26 AM

Mar 2015

I'd say that alone suggests you're willfully misdiagnosing the problem here.

Before he was murdered by Scott Roeder, Dr. George Tiller was shot in both arms by Shelley Shannon, a violent anti-abortion extremist, whose daughter is likewise a violent anti-abortion extremist.

At her trial in state court, Shannon testified that there was nothing immoral about trying to kill Tiller.[7] The jurors deliberated for an hour.[8] They convicted her of attempted murder.[8] She was sentenced to 11 years in prison.[7]

While incarcerated in Lansing, Kansas, Shannon signed the Army of God's statement in support of the actions of Paul Jennings Hill.[9]

On June 4, 1995, she pleaded guilty to setting fires at several abortion clinics in Oregon, California and Nevada. She had been indicted by federal grand juries on 30 counts in connection with fires and butyric acid attacks at nine clinics. Charges included arson, interference with commerce by force and interstate travel in aid of racketeering.[10][11] On September 9, 1995, U.S. Federal District Court Judge James A. Redden sentenced Shannon to 20 years in prison—a substantial upward departure from sentencing guidelines. In sentencing her, Redden called her a terrorist. The sentence was set to begin only after Shannon's 11-year incarceration for shooting Tiller is completed.[12]

Her daughter, Angela Shannon (born ca. 1974),[13] was prosecuted for sending a death threat in 1993 to George Woodward, a Milwaukee doctor who performed abortions. (The letter arrived on March 3, 1993 — a week before the murder of David Gunn.) The elder Shannon attempted to take the blame for the death threat, but in view of Angela's fingerprints having been found on the letter, Angela was convicted and sentenced to 46 months' incarceration in 1997.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_Shannon

Attacks on women's reproductive rights are due to a bad idea, not a bad gender.

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How can it be legal to force docs to give misleading or harmful info to patients? [View all] cali Mar 2015 OP

They need to be prosecuting these idiots avebury Mar 2015 #1

They aren't practicing medicine without a license cali Mar 2015 #3

You have elected officials dictating to avebury Mar 2015 #17

Death panels next father founding Mar 2015 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #37

I can't think of any other medical procedure that requires, by law, that a physician provide Arkansas Granny Mar 2015 #2

First do no harm. Yeah, right. cali Mar 2015 #4

Forced malpractice Jeff Murdoch Mar 2015 #14

It IS insane! smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #58

"Government over-reach" by the loons who rail against such. BumRushDaShow Mar 2015 #5

kick. yeah, I know much of DU doesn't give a flying fuck about abortion. cali Mar 2015 #6

Unfortunately, we seem to have a sizable MRA contingent here. smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #59

it pains me to agree with you on that n/t cali Mar 2015 #65

So why doesn't this type of discriminatory garbage spark the outrage cali Mar 2015 #7

this is what I keep asking, all over the place. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #11

+1 laundry_queen Mar 2015 #19

I've noticed that too. smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #60

Women are greater than.. sendero Mar 2015 #8

Really? Are you male? cali Mar 2015 #9

There is a message in there.. sendero Mar 2015 #10

as it's men who are responsible for most of this shit and for cali Mar 2015 #12

Do all men agree with you and vote the same as you do? Why not? Fucking dumb shit post. n/t seaglass Mar 2015 #20

OK, so where is the celeb circuit, twitter universe, and boycotts now? ananda Mar 2015 #13

wait...wut? alphafemale Mar 2015 #15

because it's true. Every day, new restrictive, discriminatory laws are passed cali Mar 2015 #27

It is true, sadly. smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #61

and that is the question. And a fucking sad one it is. cali Mar 2015 #21

I don't know if this issue has been litigated yet dsc Mar 2015 #16

no, the issue is not quite new. Some of these laws have been on the books for years. cali Mar 2015 #23

I don't think any of the compelled speech laws have been litigated yet dsc Mar 2015 #25

that's a good question. But if not, why not? cali Mar 2015 #26

I am no expert dsc Mar 2015 #50

Because the Doctor can tell the patient jeff47 Mar 2015 #57

I suspect you are wrong. But regardless, these laws are atrocious and infringe cali Mar 2015 #66

you're blaming this on the entire male gender? Doctor_J Mar 2015 #18

No. I am not blaming all men. Way to misinterpret, dear. cali Mar 2015 #22

This excerpt from your OP must have me confused Doctor_J Mar 2015 #55

I think the point is that it's usually male politicians, with no medical smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #62

But has been pointed out, a woman sponsored this bill, many women politicians voted for it, Doctor_J Mar 2015 #63

Ever wonder why straight white males lean Republican? Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #38

Stupid but as a thyroid patient LittleGirl Mar 2015 #28

uh. different as can be. Are doctors FORCED by law to lie about Synthroid? NO. cali Mar 2015 #29

I don't think your doctor was lying to you...but LittleGirl Mar 2015 #31

A misdiagnosis is not the same as a deliberate lie La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2015 #33

what? LittleGirl Mar 2015 #34

You were claiming it's a lie and the same thing as in the OP. IT DAMN WELL IS NOT. cali Mar 2015 #35

calm down LittleGirl Mar 2015 #36

I'll react as I wish. cali Mar 2015 #39

did you not see the OT portion of the comment? LittleGirl Mar 2015 #40

it's still not a lie though. they prescribed what the protocol says to prescribe, it didn't work La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2015 #67

What is the intention/purpose of this move? Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #30

to try and dissuade a woman from abortion- as are all the TRAP laws cali Mar 2015 #32

I suspect there is more to it than that. This bill is an absolute lie. There is no pharmaceutical Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #43

It's going to take the medical community to step in and fight this riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #41

I think, after decades of fighting, that a lot of us are tired. historylovr Mar 2015 #51

I've said it before and I will say it again. Stonepounder Mar 2015 #42

Except of course, a woman actually sponsored the bill. DirkGently Mar 2015 #44

Sorry, that still doesn't alter the fact that men have been in the forefront of cali Mar 2015 #47

So this woman's anti-abortion bill proves "MEN" are the problem? DirkGently Mar 2015 #49

No, and I didn't say that. I said that for decades men have been in the forefront of the cali Mar 2015 #53

Well a woman is in the "forefront" of this AZ bill you posted. DirkGently Mar 2015 #54

Yeah, that seems to have escaped the OP. Doctor_J Mar 2015 #56

one woman does not negate systematic misogyny. just like clarence thomas does not negate systemic La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2015 #68

If I were a doctor, what I�d be saying (if I were forced to say this crap) is: NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #45

Almost certainly a violation of the first amendment geek tragedy Mar 2015 #46

But it was Voted on and passed imthevicar Mar 2015 #48

K & R historylovr Mar 2015 #52

Let me put it this way, gentlemen: I'd like to see men as active in the pro-choice movement cali Mar 2015 #64