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drray23

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10. voter participation is a problem

Sun Mar 29, 2015, 03:08 PM

Mar 2015

I was rejecting the notion that a bona fide democrat would go for a Ted Cruz over a dem candidate just because he is more "authentic". Not voting is indeed another outcome that has been plaguing us for a while now.

I do not disagree with that point but that is an issue we have to address anyway.

Regarding Hilary, I chose to talk about her in my post because thats what the OP was about. I will happily support any reasonable dem candidate instead of her once we have some running for president. Yes, she has not announced yet either but its very likely she will.

Barack Obama managed to motivate these independents to go to the polls. Being able to do that again will be key. Does this mean fielding a candidate that is further left ? I am not convinced this will work. It will resonate with the base but not the independents.

We have demographics going for us as this country is getting more diverse. The latino vote for example is starting to grow to proportions that are even starting to make Texas competitive, at least for local and state races. Virginia, where I live has turned blue in the last few presidential elections and we also have full control of all the executive positions. The house is still dominated by the republicans but that is largely in part due to the gerrymandering.

How does this pan out in 2016 ? hard to tell.

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For the hardcore Hillary supporters, I offer this famous quote... [View all] It is Tuesday Mar 2015 OP

More anti-Hillary horseshit! leftofcool Mar 2015 #1

The pro-Clinton group has only offered one reason to support her and that is that she is the rhett o rick Mar 2015 #5

If we don't get a candidate the represents true democratic values ripcord Mar 2015 #15

I understand but not voting TNNurse Mar 2015 #16

Then run a real candidate ripcord Mar 2015 #18

If there was enough demand creeksneakers2 Mar 2015 #47

Untrue. People who don't want a Third Wayer are not the minority and few if any merrily Mar 2015 #129

Have you read this article on NAFTA and the TPP? JDPriestly Mar 2015 #131

The MSM marginalizes any true Progressive. Bernie was marginalized before he ever got started. Dustlawyer Mar 2015 #135

Supporting a candidate who embodies MissDeeds Mar 2015 #53

Very well said. -none Mar 2015 #71

Thanks MissDeeds Mar 2015 #73

no, it's not very well said Sheepshank Mar 2015 #165

That is not what MissDeeds said, nor implied. -none Mar 2015 #166

Of course it was.....pissing little post spouting lies Sheepshank Mar 2015 #167

Agreed, the meme D=R is complete bullshit. bettyellen Mar 2015 #178

It seems that our candidates keep moving to the right ripcord Mar 2015 #82

Those of us who are left of center MissDeeds Mar 2015 #83

It is scarey ripcord Mar 2015 #84

Perhaps 'they' are persona non-grata MissDeeds Mar 2015 #89

I find it incredible that "politically liberal" posters can't figure that out. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #90

+1 more. n/t :) Chan790 Mar 2015 #101

Yep. 840high Mar 2015 #110

The straw man about the parties not being identical is going to merrily Mar 2015 #130

We ALL understand that, but how do you suggest changing the direction of the Party, merrily Mar 2015 #128

Ahhh, another 'No Way'. revmclaren Mar 2015 #36

I don't think you can understand how little what you think matters to me. ripcord Mar 2015 #43

You're persona nongrada.... revmclaren Mar 2015 #46

Do you perhaps mean persona non grata? ripcord Mar 2015 #48

Persona non grata... revmclaren Mar 2015 #49

And I bookmarked your post revmclaren Mar 2015 #44

There's a good handful right in this thread, isn't there? Hekate Mar 2015 #88

You don't have to bookmark them...point them out... Chan790 Mar 2015 #98

Add me too, I'll Be having waffles election day if Hillary is the choice. The Waffle Abides. Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #122

I will be active in the primary to make sure that the issues I value are aired. Sarcastica Mar 2015 #65

By all means stay home and console yourself with the new GOP majority Hekate Mar 2015 #87

If it means the end of Clintonism... n/t Chan790 Mar 2015 #99

We got change!! lobodons Mar 2015 #22

Sorry but we have 22% of American children living in poverty and 45% living in rhett o rick Mar 2015 #39

When they promised us change... Chan790 Mar 2015 #100

At least until the primaries are over. n/t whopis01 Mar 2015 #31

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #33

Please direct me to their position. I have repeatedly asked. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #41

I think you can find the Pro-HRC's reason for supporting her candidacy ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #52

I have only been there once and they banned me. I didn't even say anything bad. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #54

They blocked you from their group? Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #55

I think anyone with an open mind is concidered dangerous to those that rhett o rick Mar 2015 #91

I'll keep that in mind. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #108

I have absolutely no problem with groups like the BOG and HRC. I do think it's a bit childish rhett o rick Mar 2015 #109

I'm a BOG host, Rhett. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #152

I would expect nothing less from you sheshe2. Forgive my generalizations. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #153

Thank you, Rhett. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #161

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #58

You defended our president from the accusation he was a cipher and a dilettante. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #63

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #67

Sir, you should wear your ban like The Medal Of Freedom/NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #68

I just found out, I wasn't banned; just, Blocked ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #70

What's the difference? /NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #74

I guess if I ask proper and promise to mind my ways, the Host will re-bless me. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #78

Bwaaahahahaha! sheshe2 Mar 2015 #163

You weren't banned, you were blocked. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #66

Oh ... Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #69

There is a difference. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #80

Thank you. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #85

Maybe for posts like this, " and reading, with one's mouth closed can do wonders for rhett o rick Mar 2015 #92

That's a really nasty thing to say. n/t tammywammy Mar 2015 #96

I meant reading and knowing ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #103

You're in good company... Chan790 Mar 2015 #105

LOL. Nothing lost. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #107

You are crazy there thousands of Reasons to Support Hillary: You need do some reading!!! lewebley3 Mar 2015 #62

I think you hit the nail right on the head, bro. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #64

I'm not "pro-Clinton", I'm pro-Democrat. cheapdate Mar 2015 #93

"...in 2008 Clinton didn't win because she was too conservative" Sheepshank Mar 2015 #164

Is there data to refute the statement? rhett o rick Mar 2015 #171

OMFG...really? Sheepshank Mar 2015 #172

My fault. I forgot you can't hold a discussion w/o insults like, "Post #171 has to be the stupidest rhett o rick Mar 2015 #173

To hard-core Hillarites: gregcrawford Mar 2015 #17

Hello! lark Mar 2015 #29

I have no like for Obama either. His putting Emmanuel in charge of his staff was an early signal... cascadiance Mar 2015 #142

They are both way too corportist for my taste. lark Mar 2015 #162

Never fear, Obama did NOT get a pass gregcrawford Mar 2015 #154

Truth isn't BS lark Mar 2015 #160

But can it be proven? Renew Deal Mar 2015 #177

This has nothing to do with how people on DU will vote ybbor Mar 2015 #20

Yep it is not about us it is about them. zeemike Mar 2015 #26

We had Harry's comment come back on us like a wildfire here in Idaho in 2010. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #79

Exactly. n/t zentrum Mar 2015 #156

two words....nose plugs. (nt) paleotn Mar 2015 #27

I will not vote for a republican, I promise you tularetom Mar 2015 #30

Me either. RiverLover Mar 2015 #133

Agreed with you Leftcool. Hillary supports the democratic party: The party supports the New Deal lewebley3 Mar 2015 #51

I hear what you're saying, but that isn't the 'take' I got from the Truman quote. PatrickforO Mar 2015 #81

Surely, there is a more civil way to respond to the OP. All he or she merrily Mar 2015 #126

K&R! stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #132

Truman was not talking about DU. zentrum Mar 2015 #155

K & R L0oniX Mar 2015 #2

I keep trying to squash that damned bug! gregcrawford Mar 2015 #19

nice quote but i think its no longer applicable. drray23 Mar 2015 #3

The error is your assumption that all voters go to the polls every election. jeff47 Mar 2015 #6

Well said. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #8

voter participation is a problem drray23 Mar 2015 #10

Well, let's take a look at recent history to see if it will work. jeff47 Mar 2015 #12

2008 and 2012 ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #35

Depends if you measure against the U.S. Or the world jeff47 Mar 2015 #75

That is exactly how I see it. +1nt bravenak Mar 2015 #38

agree marym625 Mar 2015 #112

Assignments creeksneakers2 Mar 2015 #50

You don't see a difference between Obama running for reelection jeff47 Mar 2015 #72

^Post of the Day^ Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #61

Thank you treestar Mar 2015 #7

excerpt from Eisenhower's political platform drray23 Mar 2015 #4

So true. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #9

K&R..... daleanime Mar 2015 #11

Try coming up with something new that matters and not a trite quote we all know. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #13

Sometimes a gentle reminder is needed.. It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #14

600 Dems gave us Alito and Roberts on SCOTUS lobodons Mar 2015 #21

Hillary has been apologizing for Democratic policies? Which ones? When? Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #23

The Discussionist crew has arrived! Church over already? JaneyVee Mar 2015 #24

Uhhhh.. What's a Discussionist crew? It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #111

Bullshit... zentricity Mar 2015 #25

Republican propaganda? B Calm Mar 2015 #28

Harry Truman Is Republican Propaganda ??? - You Forget The Sarcasm Thingy... WillyT Mar 2015 #104

Harry Truman didn't know Hillary. B Calm Mar 2015 #114

LOL, Oh yes he did. imthevicar Mar 2015 #148

Who are you supporting on the democratic ticket? Why are you tearing down Hillary instead of B Calm Mar 2015 #168

B Calm, imthevicar Apr 2015 #183

K&R� This quote touches many points in history and should be understood... MrMickeysMom Mar 2015 #32

+1 BeanMusical Mar 2015 #34

Who are the hard core anti Hillary people? I can answer that one Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #37

... William769 Mar 2015 #40

I won't vote for anyone that didn't stand up to George Bush when it was needed the most. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #121

Is this your new issue? Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #123

New issue? I was yelling at the TV when the turncoat Democrats in 2002 turned their backs on rhett o rick Mar 2015 #124

woowoo. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #134

Hey, I am from the south, should I still be upset the south lost the war? Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #151

? stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #174

Perhaps because you do not understand. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #175

i woowooed rhett not you and i think you need one now. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #181

What? Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #182

Is Hillary running? sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #150

The logic of lesser evilism RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #42

I think it's a CT. The Powers That Be fund the teaparty to make the Republicons rhett o rick Mar 2015 #125

Yup. I'm afraid you've got it. RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #127

Not lesser, just different. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2015 #157

A well known quote but the problem with it former9thward Mar 2015 #45

This post is nothing but lies about Hillary: it could have been written by repub: lewebley3 Mar 2015 #56

Uhhhh It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #57

The hail of bullets was another lie, her life has never been in danger for the party or TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #158

People who Become President are not poor: Hillary is only worth 21 million. lewebley3 Mar 2015 #159

Homeless people don't become President of US: It takes a Rich person!! Hopefully one with a Heart lewebley3 Apr 2015 #184

I have never voted Republican in my life, not even for sheriff... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #59

What if I am just a lukewarm Hillary supporter? Anything for me or am I just chopped liver? Rex Mar 2015 #60

Only lukewarm? Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #76

Why not focus on a candidate you support instead of setting up still_one Mar 2015 #77

That seems to be an alien concept to many here. tammywammy Mar 2015 #95

Correct. I have someone else in mind, but at this point... It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #113

Another newbie who I'm sure will fit right in at GD Hekate Mar 2015 #86

You better believe it! zappaman Mar 2015 #94

Thank God! You can turn a 63-year-old quote by Truman... joeybee12 Mar 2015 #97

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #102

It seems the Democratic party has spoken... And we're not the ones out of step... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #106

It's getting pretty obvious what's going on here. We have posters with less than 100 total posts B Calm Mar 2015 #115

really..... quickesst Mar 2015 #116

Good thing Hillary is a great liberal Democrat, who has the support of other liberal Dems like NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #118

Then don't vote for her. That's your choice. NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #119

Will this "star" emerge from under a bridge? JoePhilly Mar 2015 #120

President Walker or Cruz. wolfie001 Mar 2015 #136

I pledge that I will not offer BlueMTexpat Mar 2015 #137

Primary Elections 99th_Monkey Mar 2015 #179

Indeed. BlueMTexpat Mar 2015 #180

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Mar 2015 #138

Snort DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #143

Listen and Learn from Truman beemer27 Mar 2015 #139

There is a group here completely unaware that we have primaries. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #140

Posters need to stop tearing down democratic politicians and push for their preferred candidate. B Calm Mar 2015 #141

That's it. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #145

And some quotes from FDR too should be noted as well... cascadiance Mar 2015 #144

DUrec! "We know now that Govt by organized money is just as dangerous as Govt by organized mob." RiverLover Mar 2015 #147

That's some pretty weak sauce you got there. Darb Mar 2015 #146

UNREC JCMach1 Mar 2015 #149

Thanks for your concern. n/t Lil Missy Mar 2015 #169

You are addressing 2 groups with this OP. randome Mar 2015 #170

Is this about Sanders? Renew Deal Mar 2015 #176