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25. Party loyalty is for proles.

Sun Mar 29, 2015, 03:15 PM

Mar 2015

We misunderstand politics and our politicians in 2014 when we assume their goal is always to win. That was the old system, democracy.

In oligarchy, the goal is using the two parties you own in whichever way best furthers the corporate agenda. enhances the power and profit, of the oligarchy.

DCCC email campaign: "Accept defeat"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025736826

Red vs. Blue = Oligarchy Theater for the masses.

Mass spying on Americans? Both parties support it.
Austerity for the masses? Both parties support it.
Cutting social safety nets? Both parties support it.
Corporatists in the cabinet? Both parties support it.
Tolling our interstate highways? Both parties support it.
Corporate education policy? Both parties support it.
Bank bailouts? Both parties support it.
Ignoring the trillions stashed overseas? Both parties support it.
Trans-Pacific Job/Wage Killing Secret Agreement? Both parties support it.
TISA corporate overlord agreement? Both parties support it.
Drilling and fracking? Both parties support it.
Wars on medical marijuana instead of corrupt banks? Both parties support it.
Deregulation of the food industry? Both parties support it.
GMO's? Both parties support it.
Privatization of the TVA? Both parties support it.
Immunity for telecoms? Both parties support it.
"Looking forward" and letting war criminals off the hook? Both parties support it.
Deciding torturers are patriots? Both parties support it.
Militarized police and assaults on protesters? Both parties support it.
Indefinite detention? Both parties support it.
Drone wars and kill lists? Both parties support it.
Targeting of journalists and whistleblowers? Both parties support it.
Private prisons replacing public prisons? Both parties support it.
Unions? Both parties view them with contempt.
Trillion dollar increase in nuclear weapons. Both parties support it.
New war in Iraq. Both parties support it.
New war in Syria. Both parties support it.
Carpet bombing of captive population in Gaza. Both parties support it.
Selling off swaths of the Gulf of Mexico for drilling? Both parties support it.
Drilling along the Atlantic Coast? Both parties support it.

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So Bill Clinton gave Romney debate advice when facing President Obama in 2012. That is very wrong [View all] still_one Mar 2015 OP

Man of Ego! Wellstone ruled Mar 2015 #1

So? leftofcool Mar 2015 #2

no he didn't, he told him how to take charge of the debate, but that isn't the point is it? What still_one Mar 2015 #4

And you read all this crap in the NYT so I suppose you believed their story on the emails too? leftofcool Mar 2015 #29

Bahhhhh. Agschmid Mar 2015 #37

I'm not surprised. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #3

Well, if Obama had been able to put aside his ego, it should have been VP... joeybee12 Mar 2015 #13

Which was worse, the 2004 primary or the 2008 primary? Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #44

I think 2008 gave those who had other issues Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #48

Hillary argued that the delegates selected through the caucus method should not be held . . . Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #52

Unsourced comment from the "Hillary - friendly" (that was sarcasm) NYT? MADem Mar 2015 #5

Do you remember when Hillary said in 2008 mccain has a lifetime of experience while Obama just has a still_one Mar 2015 #16

Oh, fachrissake. Do you remember when Obama nominated Clinton to be his SECSTATE? MADem Mar 2015 #24

I wasn't talking about Hillary, I was talking about Bill Clinton. All Bill Clinton, has to do is still_one Mar 2015 #27

Should he respond to every lie printed about him? He'd be at it all day and night. MADem Mar 2015 #60

I've noticed Clinton supporters seem VERY forgetful about 2008 Scootaloo Mar 2015 #51

that accusation by the author has no attribution bigtree Mar 2015 #6

Then all Bill Clinton has to do is come out and correct "the error" still_one Mar 2015 #17

Is Bill Clinton running for President, again? Was the 22nd Amendment repealed while we slept? MADem Mar 2015 #30

No he doesn't. Wouldn't do him a damn bit of good... Agschmid Mar 2015 #36

right bigtree Mar 2015 #46

It worked so well Politicalboi Mar 2015 #7

It looks to me like Bill actually PUNKED Romney. Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #8

I'm sorry, but your opinion wasn't shared by the majority. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #11

I was referring to the second debate Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #23

I would think so too! leftofcool Mar 2015 #31

Romney looked stupid... Mike Nelson Mar 2015 #9

Willard really stunk the place up, Wellstone ruled Mar 2015 #10

Are we talking about the same first debate? Savannahmann Mar 2015 #12

Romney looked like a fool and Obama did just fine in the first debate bigtree Mar 2015 #47

OK, polls then were meaningless. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #53

won the first debate? bigtree Mar 2015 #55

Some here have blissful, selective memories, walking on pink clouds. bvar22 Mar 2015 #50

Well let's try this old saw...but such advice wouldn't be illegal. HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #14

No, not illegal, but it questions his judgement, and Democratic loyalty for sure still_one Mar 2015 #18

Yes. And yet... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #20

Not sure if that comparison is a good one. However, disparaging comments from Lanny Davis, Leon still_one Mar 2015 #21

Are you serious? Do you know how many times Bill campaigned for Obama? leftofcool Mar 2015 #32

Yah but that one time backstage really swung the election... Agschmid Mar 2015 #35

Shhhhh...stop interjecting "facts" and "making sense"--it ruins the mongering the NYT has been MADem Mar 2015 #61

I thought it was president Obama who treestar Mar 2015 #15

sure he performed badly in the first debate, but that wasn't the premise of the allegation that Bill still_one Mar 2015 #19

Yeah..... msanthrope Mar 2015 #22

but that wasn't the point of the article, or have anything to do with the alleged action of Bill still_one Mar 2015 #28

Tell me why what Bill Clinton did matters... Agschmid Mar 2015 #34

I had watched it on CSPAN without commentary treestar Mar 2015 #54

Party loyalty is for proles. woo me with science Mar 2015 #25

Not surprised. And not the first time... mylye2222 Mar 2015 #26

When you have facts and not just another... Agschmid Mar 2015 #40

This is a stupid OP. Agschmid Mar 2015 #33

Unsourced comment from the GOP. . . B Calm Mar 2015 #38

K&R. Be carefull. I was juried earlier for having posted about mylye2222 Mar 2015 #39

When you post bullshit you risk getting a hide. Agschmid Mar 2015 #41

Don't stop. 840high Mar 2015 #57

Please don't encourage those who post baseless speculation. Agschmid Mar 2015 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Mar 2015 #59

sad DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #42

President Rmoney should thank bill gwheezie Mar 2015 #43

Snort./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #49

It wouldn't be the first time he conspires with Repubs Oilwellian Mar 2015 #45

Patrick Healy has a history of just making stuff up about Democrats karynnj Mar 2015 #56