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eridani

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33. Which all went away when the tech bubble crashed

Reply to Hoyt (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 30, 2015, 05:17 AM

Mar 2015

80% of the jobs were shit jobs anyway

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In Case You Missed This... 'NAFTA, TPP & The Clinton Global Initiative's "Free Trade" Activism' [View all] WillyT Mar 2015 OP

An oversimplified but probably fairly correct correlation seems to be Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #1

Yep... Remember... NAFTA Had Import/Export/Labor Fairness/And Environmental Codes Included... WillyT Mar 2015 #2

They mocked the crap out of Ross Perot for saying there would be a giant sucking sound of GoneFishin Mar 2015 #3

And then they tried to whitewash it Populist_Prole Mar 2015 #31

It's like they really have no idea how these policies are creating economic Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #4

The Clintons are in a bubble. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #14

the clintons are out for themselves. bubbles have nothing to do with it; they're not ND-Dem Mar 2015 #32

I cannot understand it. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #36

when they get too old to keep driving hard and sometimes not even then. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #43

There does seem to be a preponderance of 80 year old billionaires. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #44

Damn straight. hifiguy Apr 2015 #77

When it comes to supporting marym625 Mar 2015 #5

Jesus, that picture says it all BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #6

Yeah... Huh... WillyT Mar 2015 #63

Thanks for posting WillyT! Grayson: "We are creating tens of millions of jobs in other countries... RiverLover Mar 2015 #7

Pete Peterson sure seems to have his hands in a lot of dirty anti-labor pies. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #8

One of the TPP puppet masters is revealed! RiverLover Mar 2015 #10

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #13

Alfred Hitchcock maindawg Mar 2015 #9

Why does Pete Peterson hate America? Enthusiast Mar 2015 #11

It's not a matter of pragmatism, it is a mental illness so it is not a rational behavior. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #42

Greed is the most powerful, pernicious and dangerous addiction hifiguy Apr 2015 #78

Thanks Thespian2 Mar 2015 #12

"Pro-NAFTA companies...moved existing jobs abroad almost as soon as it was signed." cheapdate Mar 2015 #15

Really sad stuff. /nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #16

have to see this to believe it nationalize the fed Mar 2015 #17

Seems to me the 1990s were very good for jobs. I don't believe NAFTA was anywhere Hoyt Mar 2015 #18

Yes, they were great for shitty jobs without benefits eridani Mar 2015 #19

But not because of NAFTA.. Actually very good jobs were created in the 1990s. Hoyt Mar 2015 #20

So why skyrocketing homelessness and food bank usage n/t eridani Mar 2015 #22

I don't deny many poor, mentally ill, and those with skills no longer in demand were forgotten.. Hoyt Mar 2015 #24

Which all went away when the tech bubble crashed eridani Mar 2015 #33

Do you have a citation for the 80%, and what do you consider a s/&t job? Hoyt Mar 2015 #34

Anything that pays less than the equivalent of $15/hou or is involuntarily part timer n/t eridani Mar 2015 #35

I pretty much agree with that, although maybe a bit lower in 1990s. Hoyt Mar 2015 #37

OMG... LeftOfWest Mar 2015 #40

Says the guy who didn't lose his/her job to off shoring. Phlem Mar 2015 #27

Certain jobs were going elsewhere long before NAFTA. Hoyt Mar 2015 #30

bs. LeftOfWest Mar 2015 #41

what a load. Phlem Mar 2015 #45

You don't believe jobs were going overseas before NAFTA, people weren't buying foreign cars or Hoyt Mar 2015 #46

So you for free trade and the TPP? Phlem Mar 2015 #48

Ypu obviously haven't read any of the agreements. They include standards for worker rights. Hoyt Mar 2015 #49

Uh, that's not it Chief. Phlem Mar 2015 #50

Obviously you aren't interested in reading others' opinions. Hoyt Mar 2015 #52

Buh By. Phlem Mar 2015 #53

" They include standards for worker rights." bvar22 Mar 2015 #68

Mexico is better off now, although not as they should be. Otherwise, Mx wouldn't have begged for TPP Hoyt Mar 2015 #69

There are pro-Free Trade Propagandists in Mexico who made millions, bvar22 Mar 2015 #70

Did you read the counter arguments to the opinion piece listed on left side Hoyt Mar 2015 #71

I've BEEN there. bvar22 Mar 2015 #72

I think your experience is a bit limited. Economies are much larger than you or me. Hoyt Mar 2015 #73

ANf your "experience" (reading the propaganda and sales brochures)... bvar22 Apr 2015 #75

We have that here. I don't see Mexico backing away from trade deals.. Hoyt Apr 2015 #76

Do you believe that the campesinos and maquiladoras actually have a VOICE? bvar22 Apr 2015 #81

Thanks. That explains a lot. LeftOfWest Mar 2015 #39

Unless you were one of the 330K+ people in Ohio who lost a good manufacturing job. pa28 Mar 2015 #59

"well, we're against NAFTA *now*, so that means TPP'll be great *now*!" MisterP Mar 2015 #21

As you can see from the post directly above this that Phlem Mar 2015 #51

Huge K&R. woo me with science Mar 2015 #23

K&R liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #25

K&R and bookmarking. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #26

K&R! K&R! K&R! K&R! Phlem Mar 2015 #28

It's not Pete Peterson alone, it's the Clinton Global Initiative that's working in concert. hedda_foil Mar 2015 #29

Kickety kick kick. Scuba Mar 2015 #38

In case you missed it, bvar22 Mar 2015 #47

It's only been in effect 2 years, some of the provisions won't go into affect for a few more years. Hoyt Mar 2015 #54

After 2 years, will the 70,000 jobs come back? bvar22 Mar 2015 #55

Do you think the absence of trade agreements would help the vast majority of workers Hoyt Mar 2015 #57

I see you ducked MY question. bvar22 Mar 2015 #60

Almost all have helped in various ways, you just don't get the long-term impact. Hoyt Mar 2015 #62

Dear Hoyt... Do You Not See A System Rigged For The Few ??? WillyT Mar 2015 #64

I would suggest you read and think of the overall impact for the world, not just you. Hoyt Mar 2015 #65

Four Words... WillyT Mar 2015 #66

Workers in other countries? Hoyt Mar 2015 #67

It's past time to strop the National Razor. hifiguy Apr 2015 #79

That is a tacit admission that "Free TRade" is BAD for the American Worker. bvar22 Apr 2015 #74

Obama vs Obama - truedelphi Mar 2015 #56

This is the type of info that is so depressing. dgibby Mar 2015 #58

Can you spot the troll in this thread? Phlem Mar 2015 #61

I Have No Idea... What You're Talking About... WillyT Apr 2015 #80

Just read this, bumping for greater visibility dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #82