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calimary

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22. That last sentence is KEY. And it's what you see playing out in Indiana now.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:57 AM
Mar 2015

"Every once in a while, they need to be confronted with the concept that not everyone agrees with them."

They live in a bubble. They really do. Indiana is proof. Trying to shut out the "cold cruel world" and live in their own safe little insular world where only what THEY WANT TO BE TRUE is true. Pox Noise has helped build and reinforce this. Hate radio does nothing BUT reinforce this AROUND THE CLOCK, 24/7/365. kkkarl rove kicked it into high gear early in bush/cheney by rhapsodizing about how "we create OUR OWN REALITY. And you will study it, judiciously, as you will (his imperiousness said, dismissively). The denial is AMAZING to me!

Here's the quote of the century, if you'll recall:

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Suskind, Ron (2004-10-17). Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush. The New York Times Magazine.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

"...Judiciously, as you will..." That smug put-down has stung me and pissed me off from the first time I heard it.

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