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JohnnyRingo

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137. Okay... I'm going to put my partisanship aside for a bit and have a conversation with you.

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 03:18 PM

Dec 2011

Your initial entry was a blanket statement that simply called for Obama to face charges in the Hague as a war criminal. There were no specifics and no evidence that you have an ulterior motive, but I want to sort that out first and see if your interest is indeed in the name of blind non-partisan justice. I want to know if you truly want justice, or if you just hate Obama and are grasping at any straw you can find to bring him down.

We both understand that no American president will ever be turned over to an international court without slam the door-there's no excuse-hard evidence that has a better than 90% chance of conviction. After all, you'll not find a Democrat in the country who will consider bringing charges against Obama, and for a Republican to take interest there has to be some real meat to your accusations.

With that in mind, and if you could miraculously find an interested ear in the GOP, what would be your case against Obama? How would you present these serious charges in a way that would leave someone with the capability to see it through convinced that they have Obama dead to rights? After all, no one is going to politcally embarass themselves chasing a partisan snipe just because you hate Obama, so it has to be pretty good and airtight.

Please be somewhat specific, and I know you can, because I'm sure you did some research into international law before levelling charges that have never in history been presented to an American president. As a follow up, can these charges apply to any other president who presided during a military action. or are you just setting your sights on this administration? What other American presidents would you like to see tried at The Hague, even retro-actively if you could? How untainted is your sense of justice?

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K&R if you feel President Obama Richly Deserves to Be Re-elected!!! [View all] Zalatix Dec 2011 OP

Kick politicasista Dec 2011 #1

It's not an award of merit, just "most discussed" cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #2

What harm would it do to shut that thread down? Zalatix Dec 2011 #7

No, it's an expression of frustration that more than one in ten progressives feel Betty Karlson Dec 2011 #48

Here's the problem: that ten percent isn't alienated. TheWraith Dec 2011 #91

Not true. FedUp_Queer Dec 2011 #127

Your poll is over a year old Number23 Dec 2011 #130

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If I was on a jury, I would NOT vote to shut it down. Bucky Dec 2011 #73

which often means the most contentious discussions. nt G_j Dec 2011 #13

ABSOLUTELY! elleng Dec 2011 #3

That's why we need an unrec button. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #4

Kick! n/t Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #5

That is just not right. applegrove Dec 2011 #6

Suggestion - rename your subject line to "President Obama Richly Deserves to Be Re-elected" Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #8

Disagree. The next flame-baiting thread will just get recced up in a couple of days. banned from Kos Dec 2011 #10

well, it will serve one interesting purpose. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #33

Last I saw, the first "Dump Obama" thread had 150 recs; the second from BBI had about 60 Number23 Dec 2011 #110

Agreed. Wait Wut Dec 2011 #59

I read your post and thought this must be an old timer HangOnKids Dec 2011 #81

I didn't say I was here a long time. Wait Wut Dec 2011 #85

Sorry WW HangOnKids Dec 2011 #86

Done! Zalatix Dec 2011 #29

K&R & Notice how few of these posters have a damn thing to say about not only very real LOST patrice Dec 2011 #9

Indeed, we need to fight for what's good versus whining about what's bad Zalatix Dec 2011 #11

I think they are recruiting each other for virtual activism elsewhere. patrice Dec 2011 #19

a world of sock-puppets trolling each other!!! patrice Dec 2011 #21

You respond to your own posts? HangOnKids Dec 2011 #83

its the same meme that was used in 2000 Capn Sunshine Dec 2011 #98

Although I definitely totally agree with you about the liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #12

Yes, I am starting to see evidence that a third party damages whatever cause it represents Zalatix Dec 2011 #17

So do primary challenges - see Kennedy/Carter - 1980. That really helped.....Reagan. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #34

Correllation does not equal causation. theaocp Dec 2011 #62

True, correlation isn't causation. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #76

Doesn't it teach to look beyond the banner? WheelWalker Dec 2011 #14

Will the continual anti-Obamism be permitted after the campaign begins in earnest? MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #15

Obama is already THE candidate. Zalatix Dec 2011 #18

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with a bunch of people trying to game one another working for him, with an eye on the exits & an ear patrice Dec 2011 #24

The real problem I have with this is that an excerpt from the article cited Dewey Finn Dec 2011 #16

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Well K&R because I want Obama to win in 2012, but it's not that disturbing to me to have gateley Dec 2011 #23

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That thread is not saying they want the republican to win, its saying to replace Obama quinnox Dec 2011 #26

To have someone primary Obama? Really? Zalatix Dec 2011 #27

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One difference though Zalatix Dec 2011 #31

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Hmmm, I notice that Zalatix Dec 2011 #134

Kick. I'll gladly be voting to re-elect President Obama rollin74 Dec 2011 #37

ANOTHER Attention-Junkie "K&R" Thread? DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #38

Define 'attention junkie' in a way that includes my thread and excludes any you've made. Zalatix Dec 2011 #46

Obama is a war criminal now, and deserves what all war criminals deserve ixion Dec 2011 #39

We'll get around to that right away JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #43

Yeah, it means you don't give a rat's ass about justice as long as it's your team in the WH ixion Dec 2011 #51

Your problem is not with Obama, it's with the money men who are holding him hostage. Zalatix Dec 2011 #52

I agree that there are puppet masters. However, Obama wanted the job, and got it. ixion Dec 2011 #61

That's the sad truth BobbyBoring Dec 2011 #90

I made a partisan comment in a place called Democratic Underground and shake your head in disgust? JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #103

Exactly. Partisanship is a HUGE part of the problem ixion Dec 2011 #135

Okay... I'm going to put my partisanship aside for a bit and have a conversation with you. JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #137

okay, the answer to your question is very plain and simple and requires no nuance. ixion Dec 2011 #138

So you're starting at Democratic Underground? JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #140

Your snark aside ixion Dec 2011 #141

Though I said I'd end the conversation, let me correct a misconception you have about me JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #142

"You want world peace, I want to eat and live indoors." I believe the 'misconception' is ixion Dec 2011 #143

Then you vote for Romney, or stay home and let others vote for Romney. JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #144

You can be 'sick' of it all you want. That doesn't change the truth, nor does it ixion Dec 2011 #146

You do know this is "Democratic Underground" don't you? JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #147

What will it take to get it through your head: ixion Dec 2011 #149

I get it now JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #150

Actually, I relate more to OWS. ixion Dec 2011 #152

Your central theme seems to coincide more with Ron Paul's Revolution that spawned the TP JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #153

No, it doesn't. ixion Dec 2011 #160

Glad you clarified that. JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #171

If you expand the definition of war criminal to include President Obama arely staircase Dec 2011 #156

An expansion of the definition is not necessary. ixion Dec 2011 #159

precisely what war crime (specific statute, please) do you imagine the president has committed? nt arely staircase Dec 2011 #162

There are numerous examples that are quite clear ixion Dec 2011 #163

Again, what laws has he broken? You have acused the President of the United States of being a war arely staircase Dec 2011 #164

Killing civilians is a war crime. Period. ixion Dec 2011 #165

"Killing civilians is a war crime. Period." Really? Under what jurisdiction? Please cite arely staircase Dec 2011 #166

No, what's funny is you arguing in favor of murder. ixion Dec 2011 #168

ok, it's clear you got nothing. get back to me with an actual LAW arely staircase Dec 2011 #169

It's clear and simple. It's murder. It's a violation of International Law. It's a war crime. ixion Dec 2011 #170

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K&R. nt DesertFlower Dec 2011 #47

I recommended, but it's not exactly a question of what he 'deserves' LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #49

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"0. K&R if you feel President Obama Richly Deserves to Be Re-elected!!!" greiner3 Dec 2011 #56

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K & R. It's ludicrous, and coming from a small minority of malcontents and disruptors. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #68

deserves is a strange word kenfrequed Dec 2011 #69

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And that change begins with each of us, too. Zalatix Dec 2011 #88

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