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MADem

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10. The debate continued when Roman Catholic John Kennedy (D) was elected President.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:12 AM
Mar 2015

People who were alive during that period will remember that it was, as Joe Biden might say, a "big f-ing deal" that he made it to the White House at all. It wasn't all Bing Crosby and "Going My Way" -- many people were insisting that JFK would "take orders from ROME!!!" if he were elected. Roman Catholics, of course, were thrilled. Others, not so much. JFK gave a speech in Houston, TX to a group of protestant ministers assuaging the frayed nerves of people who were freaking out about his choice of church. He broke the "religion barrier" for Roman Catholics, no one said much, if anything, to Eugene McCarthy, Robert Kennedy, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, Wes Clark, Dennis Kucinich, etc about their religion after that, except maybe to push buttons about the choice issue. On the GOP/Wingnut side, you've got Sam Brownback, Pat Buchanan, Rudy "Bad Catholic" Giuliani, George Pataki, etc. They waved the choice thing like a bloody battle shirt and used the religious argument to back themselves up--in any event, it didn't hurt them amongst their loyal followers.

Mitt RMoney tried to do a similar thing--also in TX-- with his Mormonism--it didn't go over as well. That could very well be because Mitt Romney is an unctuous little shit who is disliked; perhaps if Jon Huntsman gave the same speech it might have gone over better.

The whole culture/religious war brouhaha had been building for some time as we entered the seventies, too. Nixon's "Silent Majority" of quiet, "average" and taciturn churchgoing "regular guys" gradually morphed into Reagan's "Moral Majority" but before Reagan took the WH, Jimmy Carter (D) kicked up plenty of ethical dust on that whole Southern Baptist religious score, too. He didn't hesitate to talk about how his religious beliefs informed his decsion-making. That era was when the evangelicals figured out that they could bully the GOP.

Looks like that orbit is finally starting to degrade, at long last. It will never disappear, entirely, but I think people are losing enthusiasm for throwing large sums of money at ministers to hand to politicians who don't seem to be doing much, if anything, to actually improve their lives (or, for that matter, stop behaviors they find objectionable).

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Yup, it's an amazing story. lovemydog Mar 2015 #1
I remember when they stuck it in the Pledge. Suich Mar 2015 #2
Faith, freedom, and free enterprise Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #3
I still don't say "under god" because I never had to say it in school when we Cleita Mar 2015 #4
I was in a Catholic parochial school when the insertion SheilaT Mar 2015 #5
Interesting. I thought clergy really got in bed with politicians big time because merrily Mar 2015 #6
I wasn't aware this had started in the 1930's either. octoberlib Mar 2015 #13
Another thing for which we can thank the 1%. merrily Mar 2015 #16
It started before the civil war hootinholler Mar 2015 #18
The author of the pledge is an alum of... 3catwoman3 Mar 2015 #7
Entirely too many do not, I'm sorry to say. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2015 #30
I remember that in the Saturday matinee westerns, Downwinder Mar 2015 #8
interesting observation…. dhill926 Mar 2015 #28
we still live under zombie mccarthy, reagan, and the unelected grover torquiest. where is zombie FDR pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #9
The debate continued when Roman Catholic John Kennedy (D) was elected President. MADem Mar 2015 #10
I was in grade school during the late 60's, early 70's and octoberlib Mar 2015 #14
The ORIGINAL oath was a quickie, they kept gilding the lily and made it terribly unwieldy. MADem Mar 2015 #21
I credit/blame "The Ten Commandments" SoCalDem Mar 2015 #11
sort of a gap there--it was more the sort of "Jesus spoke English since He was American" MisterP Mar 2015 #20
A freind of ours is the ex-wife of a Methodist minister. 3catwoman3 Mar 2015 #33
'The Man Who Wrote the Pledge of Allegiance'... Lars39 Mar 2015 #12
Interesting. Thanks for the link! octoberlib Mar 2015 #15
I was in elementary school when "under God" was added. MineralMan Mar 2015 #17
The Whole Pledge Thing Is Completely Backwards ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #19
Yeah, the whole thing is so creepy and mindless. Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #23
This was the McCarthy era hifiguy Mar 2015 #22
And now people are placing their hand over their heart for the National Anthem... Thor_MN Mar 2015 #24
That's a pet peeve of my husband's, as well. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #29
I was raised in a Catholic school - raven mad Mar 2015 #25
I learned it without the "under God," Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #26
Robin Williams asked, "why not just say 'One nation, under Canada?'" Auggie Mar 2015 #27
Or... HassleCat Mar 2015 #32
Mixed Bag HassleCat Mar 2015 #31
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