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karynnj

(61,185 posts)
75. Making the issue "Hillary had more than one device" actually helps Hillary
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:01 AM
Mar 2015

She easily wins that strawman issue. It boils down to what she said - she only wanted to carry ONE DEVICE. It is possible that she didn't even have the ipad when she decided on the system she chose - so even if the ipad has the ability to have multiple accounts, it doesn't matter.

The issue is more why did she commingle everything in one account. Once she decided to use her server, not the government account, she could have avoided this entire issue, IF:

1) She had separate accounts for government vs anything else. It was HER server, so she certainly had this ability. Any problems on the Blackberry seemed to be using Government Blackberries and adding a personal account. Given she went to the trouble of having her own server, the team that set that up could have set up a blackberry to get 2 or more email streams.

2) She immediately set up a procedure with the State Department for regular, scheduled transfer of copies of her government account's emails to the State Department. (Note - this would comply with regulations written for subordinates during her tenure.

It is almost certain that no laws were broken. However, this can be seen as being SECRETIVE (and NO, that is not a sexist word - even if Hillaryworld says it it). Where it edges into a grey area is that there is the potential that messages are missing that could have been subject to FOIA.

However, what has been revealed is that while there are likely long mandated processes for official letters, press releases, minute notes etc the State Department did not before or during the Clinton years develop clear policy on archiving emails. This is pretty startling as I can remember as a worker at a company regulated by the government, we regularly had to provide the government with all email relating to one project or another - and this was in the 1990s. I am glad that Kerry has the State Department Inspector General looking at this on a going forward basis - they need clear rules on this. Obviously, any rules developed for the future, don't apply to anyone who went before.

I don't think this issue will have any more impact than it already has. Note that the HRC vs various Republicans has not changed. There is only one poll I know of that shows it changed her favorability - the CBS one that asked specifically about the email problem as well as that question. I don't know the order in which those questions were asked, but I suspect the email question was asked first -- and that is why the results are so startling in their difference from all regular polls. If it was asked first, it was - in essence - a push poll. They provided negative information (in the form of the earlier question) and then asked the favorability question.

However, it is something that for many of us, flies in the face of what we consider good, open government.

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oh ferchrissakes! boston bean Mar 2015 #1
It's another hit to her credibility. morningfog Mar 2015 #6
Do you have a phone with your email on it? boston bean Mar 2015 #10
I do it so often my bank won't allow me access unless I verify. Historic NY Mar 2015 #21
Even hotmail does that to me JonLP24 Mar 2015 #44
She gives those excuses.. mylye2222 Mar 2015 #82
+1 n/t tammywammy Mar 2015 #11
The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Mar 2015 #27
You discuss Hillary with communists? merrily Mar 2015 #79
Making the issue "Hillary had more than one device" actually helps Hillary karynnj Mar 2015 #75
+1. Someone inform the OP about difference between... JaneyVee Mar 2015 #94
+1. Ridiculous. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2015 #114
Who gives a flyin' fuck? leftofcool Mar 2015 #2
I second that. madamvlb Mar 2015 #4
I third that. n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #121
oh that fucking does it. She's toast. Everyone knows Ipads are made in CHINA!!!@!@@!@!@!@111! Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #3
Her emails have nothing to do with why I don't want her as President. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #5
Bingo deutsey Mar 2015 #12
The email debacle is why I don't want her as a CANDIDATE. morningfog Mar 2015 #17
Well, it's one of the reasons. merrily Mar 2015 #80
I guess she'll need another flimsy excuse for hiding her official correspondence on a private server RiverLover Mar 2015 #7
I think she fucked up regarding the whole private e-mail/server situation, but this is just stupid. demmiblue Mar 2015 #8
LOL - 4 emails on an ipad!! oh the outrage OKNancy Mar 2015 #9
Why give us a bullshit excuse? morningfog Mar 2015 #18
and you are just tickled pink to keep it going. OKNancy Mar 2015 #22
This is the first four emails released. morningfog Mar 2015 #24
FUD'ers gonna FUD...nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #28
Maybe she thought it would be more useful to carry around an iPad and a phone pnwmom Apr 2015 #123
Benghazi!!....nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #13
Somebody call 911 ! Kingofalldems Mar 2015 #14
Well, let's burn her at the stake. She's evil, evil, evil. Vinca Mar 2015 #15
"Almost everything from her only press conference has been proven inaccurate or worse." RiverLover Mar 2015 #16
Yes, a brave and mighty blow was struck against the forces of evil! Sheldon Cooper Mar 2015 #19
Yes & it wouldn't matter if she hadn't said she only wanted to carry one device, her ONLY reason RiverLover Mar 2015 #20
I'm sure Try Gowdy is on top of this. leftofcool Mar 2015 #23
Yes, our long national nightmare continues apace. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2015 #26
. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #45
Since you asked: merrily Mar 2015 #81
Dear gods, what the hell IS that thing? Reminds me of a DUer's mystery animal...so long ago... Hekate Apr 2015 #138
giving ones opinion about something one deems ridiculous OKNancy Mar 2015 #31
Yup. Agschmid Mar 2015 #42
Vile? hrmjustin Mar 2015 #49
Vile! Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #62
Damn us for responding! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #63
+1 MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #77
Wait until it's discovered that she also occasionally played "Angry Birds" on it, too. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2015 #25
DUZY! leftofcool Mar 2015 #30
lol Renew Deal Mar 2015 #39
BwaaaHaaaaa!! no shit! misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #53
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2015 #113
The fail was thick in this thread. Until this post Number23 Apr 2015 #117
Translation: Benghazi! FSogol Mar 2015 #29
BFD Gman Mar 2015 #32
And Jesus Wept! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #33
yup, in Indiana. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #55
indeed! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #56
Now that's a story to be raging about! misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #57
oh come on she used an ipad. she can't be president now. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #59
+100000000000000. ^THIS^ misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #60
The next thing we will find out she used texting and a laptop. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #61
Yes and she used both at The Same Time no less.. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #64
Well at least we had a good laugh. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #66
True. Big Thank You to this OP for starting my day with a hearty HA HAAA. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #68
Have a great day. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #70
Fascinating. johnp3907 Mar 2015 #34
OMG AN IPAD!!! sharp_stick Mar 2015 #35
24 hour fog, it appears HERVEPA Mar 2015 #36
Still morning here. I do have to smile at morningfog Mar 2015 #37
Classy post... Agschmid Mar 2015 #48
Oh, I'm heartbroken. I won't sleep tonight. morningfog Mar 2015 #52
Good. Agschmid Mar 2015 #58
morningfog has no duty to take unprovoked personal insults silently. merrily Mar 2015 #83
I'm not talking about the OP I'm taking about the post where he says... Agschmid Mar 2015 #86
I know. HERPEVA insulted morningfog personally for nothing more than posting an OP, which is merrily Mar 2015 #88
There is a big difference between the insults which were said. Agschmid Mar 2015 #89
Yes. The first was unprovoked and unwarranted. The second was justified. merrily Mar 2015 #90
So when someone insults someone by comparing them to Herpes... Agschmid Mar 2015 #91
no, morningfog said the screen name HERVEPA looks like the word "herpes" merrily Mar 2015 #95
I guess I'm not most people. Agschmid Mar 2015 #96
In some ways, maybe. merrily Mar 2015 #97
Thank Goodness! Cha Apr 2015 #108
Ok. you commend Agschmid after two personal insults twice to the OP, for no good reason, but merrily Apr 2015 #125
You seem upset. KMOD Apr 2015 #131
You misread me yet again. I'm not at all upset. merrily Apr 2015 #132
lol KMOD Apr 2015 #134
I know.. I say "Thank Goodness" to Agschimd for not being like other people and say Hi to him.. Cha Apr 2015 #140
love ya, Cha. KMOD Apr 2015 #144
Love you back, KMOD Cha Apr 2015 #145
Yup! Agschmid Apr 2015 #146
And it's HERV not HERP and there's no S in that person's user name Number23 Apr 2015 #118
Ah, yes, the whole point is exactly how many letters "HERVEPA" shares with "herpes" and not merrily Apr 2015 #122
The screen name is not very difficult. KMOD Apr 2015 #124
No one said it was and, again, that was SO not the point. merrily Apr 2015 #126
No, you said this KMOD Apr 2015 #127
Not "No" at all. When I said that, I said it was not the point. Twice I said it in one post and a merrily Apr 2015 #128
It might not be your point, (which was silly btw) KMOD Apr 2015 #129
No, I replied to someone else who said it and nothing is silly about my defending a poster who got merrily Apr 2015 #130
morningfog, who I generally like, is taking this in stride. KMOD Apr 2015 #133
Actually, morningfog has also replied to every insult. And, yes, I am taking it on myself to merrily Apr 2015 #136
You are a riot. lol KMOD Apr 2015 #141
Have pity on the poor straw men and let them rest. merrily Apr 2015 #143
not nice. one_voice Mar 2015 #92
Boo hoo. morningfog Mar 2015 #98
morningfog simply made a very mild reply to an unprovoked personal attack. merrily Apr 2015 #100
Bwahahahaha Renew Deal Mar 2015 #38
New Flash for everyone melm00se Mar 2015 #40
Who gives a fuck madokie Mar 2015 #43
I know someone who doesn't like Hillary madokie Mar 2015 #41
OMG Hillary is an Apple Fanboy. Call Bernie Sanders right.... NightWatcher Mar 2015 #46
This is taking on elements of the Salem Witch Hunt Yavin4 Mar 2015 #47
It's exactly the same! Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #69
This "scandal" blew over weeks ago Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #50
"the tea party and their left wing allies."... SidDithers Mar 2015 #84
I could give a rats ass about e-mails JonLP24 Mar 2015 #51
morningfog Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #54
Not a big deal in the general, but should be in the primary MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #65
Shitty things about the base? hrmjustin Mar 2015 #67
Really. MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #72
I am not in the DNC so I have no idea who you are. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #73
I have not a clue what you are talking about or who you are. Are you, like, important or something? Hekate Apr 2015 #142
You have ZERO proof of your accusation..in other wrods: misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #71
Sure MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #76
IMO, promising to support her in the general makes getting "rid of her in the primary" less likely. merrily Mar 2015 #85
Stupid AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #74
Hillary wanted 100% control over even her official emails. merrily Mar 2015 #78
Chilling! 6000eliot Mar 2015 #87
She was probably talking about being able to set up an IMAP account LuvLoogie Mar 2015 #93
Assad? No, she only called him a "reformer," knowing he was killing his own citizens merrily Apr 2015 #99
From the first article... LuvLoogie Apr 2015 #115
Hoping for improvement is not the same as calling Assad a reformer/ merrily Apr 2015 #116
But wasn't she speaking in comparative context LuvLoogie Apr 2015 #119
"She made her statement openly." Exactly the problem. Calling him a reformer publicly as he killed merrily Apr 2015 #120
Do you think that it is possible LuvLoogie Apr 2015 #135
Ah yes, my reply about Assad obliged you. Your earlier replies to me made that obvious. merrily Apr 2015 #137
So you think she e.mailed the Benghazi Terrorists to attack the embassy? Seriously B Calm Apr 2015 #101
Of course not. That is an asinine suggestion. morningfog Apr 2015 #103
Actually it's not asinine suggestion. What she did was not illegal and you B Calm Apr 2015 #104
What she did was probably not illegal. morningfog Apr 2015 #105
and you continue pushing this right-wing propaganda. B Calm Apr 2015 #106
Posting and discussing on DU is not pushing anything. morningfog Apr 2015 #109
18 million primary voters, and one entire state disagree with you. Agschmid Apr 2015 #110
Of course not. She used a text message Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #112
What difference does it make what device was used? treestar Apr 2015 #102
Enough of a difference that she saw fit to lie about it Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #111
bfd, yawn nt steve2470 Apr 2015 #107
The horror! the horror! Hekate Apr 2015 #139
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #147
Welcome back to DU. This op is 7 months old. morningfog Oct 2015 #148
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