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197. yes this is a hate crime

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:03 PM

Mar 2015

what happened (or didn't' happen) in Ferguson in no way justifies this.

If the victim was targeted because of his race then that's a hate crime. (Not that Missouri to my knowledge has hate crime laws. St. Louis might)

And we should be really careful in using anger (even justified anger) to rationalize this. People who do hate crimes are filled with anger, anger they see as totally legitimate and rational. Indeed, this incident feeds into that. This won't make people believe corrupt cops are the problem. It reinforces the idea that people of different races are and society is justified in treating black people differently (certainly that's how many will use the incident)

IF we start downplaying when one person gets victimized because of the ethnicities of the people involved then how an we then condemn this same sort of thing just because the racial mix gets changed around?

Because this guy was innocent. He had no say in what the Ferguson PD did. He's evidence to the adage "revenge has poor aim"

Sorry but your philosophy might be part of the problem.

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Mike Brown question sparks MetroLink beating caught on video [View all] pintobean Mar 2015 OP

No one on the train appeared concerned or tried to help. Bonx Mar 2015 #1

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those people who did nothing to aid the victim are scum nt msongs Mar 2015 #2

Agreed Sherman A1 Mar 2015 #5

Young punk beats up a middle aged man? Warpy Mar 2015 #3

This is the kind of mentality that causes America to have the highest incarceration rate in the world Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #65

People like this SHOULD be locked up for a long time. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #66

Disagree Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #67

Somehow I don't think you would be so quick to turn them loose... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #68

I have been the victim of assault Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #70

You can't give someone a conscience XemaSab Mar 2015 #138

Counseling while behind bars, sure. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #156

But I sure as hell can laugh at a society which has 5% of the world's population, but Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #157

Some already drew for you a distinction between drug and violent offenders Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #159

Sorry wrong wrong wrong Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #90

USA! USA! Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #91

What if it was an old woman? cwydro Mar 2015 #95

Assault is assault Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #97

Sooo... cwydro Mar 2015 #98

My opinion? Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #99

Wow. So if three white morons do the same thing cwydro Mar 2015 #100

Why are you so focused on race? Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #101

You're being deliberately obtuse. cwydro Mar 2015 #102

Your obsession with race is noted...and.... I never said the guy deserved it Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #103

Race is an obsession on DU lately. cwydro Mar 2015 #104

How is race an obsession on DU? Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #105

Again you fail to respond directly. cwydro Mar 2015 #109

In what way is race an obsession here? Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #112

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #122

Fascinating how you answer every response to you cwydro Mar 2015 #135

I agree with you. logosoco Mar 2015 #136

. allforone Mar 2015 #165

If these three guys had beat up someone you knew romanic Mar 2015 #171

You do realize that it's racist XemaSab Mar 2015 #172

The size and age of the victim does matter... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #132

... cwydro Mar 2015 #137

The purpose of putting someone like this guy in prison ripcord Mar 2015 #148

Drugs convictions cause the high incarceration rate. People who are violent SHOULD be in jail. stevenleser Mar 2015 #158

this is why awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #4

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Message auto-removed pintobean Mar 2015 #10

Maybe the Cleveland metro is similar to the St Louis metro aikoaiko Mar 2015 #11

Cleveland and St. Louis are very similar. pintobean Mar 2015 #12

True, very true. aikoaiko Mar 2015 #13

yep... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #23

Same here. pintobean Mar 2015 #25

I rode it every where... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #41

I honestly think romanic Mar 2015 #115

Guess white privilege didn't cwydro Mar 2015 #6

It appears the person taking the video pintobean Mar 2015 #7

Lol at you're thinking it is relevant! bettyellen Mar 2015 #17

It's brought up in every single thread lately. cwydro Mar 2015 #29

I think you're confusing "joining in" and "hijacking a thread for your own agenda..." LanternWaste Mar 2015 #178

The thread hasn't been hijacked. pintobean Mar 2015 #181

Thank you. cwydro Mar 2015 #185

Do you think they attacked him because he was white? XemaSab Mar 2015 #139

The victim was the only white person cwydro Mar 2015 #186

O course, he was targeted because he was white TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #203

Indeed, cwydro Mar 2015 #204

Give it time romanic Mar 2015 #116

There is no excuse for this and I hope they apprehend and arrest them. mfcorey1 Mar 2015 #8

And people wonder why so many Americans carry guns LittleBlue Mar 2015 #14

A gun wouldn't have made that situation any better. NutmegYankee Mar 2015 #16

The thing is, you never know. pintobean Mar 2015 #19

I think Edmund Burke's quote is still valid. NutmegYankee Mar 2015 #24

No shaming is going to deter or stop those animals allforone Mar 2015 #34

What do you mean "those" animals? marble falls Mar 2015 #124

The ones in the video? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #131

I thought we all watched the same video of the violent unprovoked attack by these predators? allforone Mar 2015 #133

The terms you use to describe the young black men pintobean Mar 2015 #141

I would use that term of predators and animals on any group allforone Mar 2015 #142

Do as you wish. pintobean Mar 2015 #143

Is this against the policy on DU to call a violent person an animal who preys allforone Mar 2015 #144

Do as you wish. pintobean Mar 2015 #145

"They border on racist," hell! They are well in country for racism. ieoeja Mar 2015 #198

MIRT whacked him. pintobean Apr 2015 #205

That's because you walk around thinking about who you can shoot. Renew Deal Mar 2015 #20

Normal people don't act like a pack of wild predators on an older man allforone Mar 2015 #35

The guy in the red shirt Renew Deal Mar 2015 #106

Not talking or looking at anyone... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #42

There are many tactics Renew Deal Mar 2015 #107

Like what? awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #110

What if you agree with him? Renew Deal Mar 2015 #111

I ride the L A METRO and I am constantly getting into conversations with strangers. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #134

I'd like to see them try that with Bernie Geotz... VScott Mar 2015 #27

. allforone Mar 2015 #37

Bloodlust Renew Deal Mar 2015 #108

How would a gun have helped? stone space Mar 2015 #176

Show them the gun, they run away LittleBlue Mar 2015 #177

Punk acts up on public transport- what is your point posting this? bettyellen Mar 2015 #18

Really? Wow pintobean Mar 2015 #22

I couldn't hear it very well. cwydro Mar 2015 #30

It's in the text. pintobean Mar 2015 #32

Good lord. cwydro Mar 2015 #33

Good pics from a security camera are all over local media pintobean Mar 2015 #36

There should be no escaping some serious prison time seveneyes Mar 2015 #38

Hope there's a reward. cwydro Mar 2015 #40

that dude high AngryAmish Mar 2015 #80

Smile for the cameras romanic Mar 2015 #114

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #94

its a planned assault, but not nearly as vicious as many that occurred that same bettyellen Mar 2015 #76

Well, you clicked on the thread pintobean Mar 2015 #82

Because the Title was poorly worded, and the OP appeared to be the baiting..... bettyellen Mar 2015 #83

I did give you one. pintobean Mar 2015 #85

You did not say WHY you thought it was interesting.... bettyellen Mar 2015 #87

"The Ferguson question appears to make it a hate crime." pintobean Mar 2015 #89

"not nearly as vicious as many that occurred that same day"... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #130

What do you think of the reaction of the other passengers to the assault? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #28

They suck- but a few punches on a Saturday night happens 20x a night in every major city.... bettyellen Mar 2015 #78

But if it had been three white punks cwydro Mar 2015 #84

Every outlet in St. Louis carried it. pintobean Mar 2015 #86

Yup. nt cwydro Mar 2015 #96

They'd probably have to kill him to make the news. bettyellen Mar 2015 #88

Nonsense. cwydro Mar 2015 #93

"in DU it's bullshit" NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #128

You should post in Ask-the-Admins and get your approval rights back snooper2 Mar 2015 #175

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #118

Acts up? Have you truly no shame? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #55

I hope the video assists in identifying rollin74 Mar 2015 #21

Nice of the other riders to try to defuse the situation. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #26

hate crime allforone Mar 2015 #31

This is not a hate crime. Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #43

It is a hate crime and they should be charged as so allforone Mar 2015 #44

It is not a hate crime Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #48

Do you think it is a crime at all? pintobean Mar 2015 #50

There were crimes Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #53

One has nothing to do with the other. You're conflating the two for your political point. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #160

By your response to me in this post you see it is a hate crime allforone Mar 2015 #52

yes this is a hate crime booley Mar 2015 #197

I agree. It IS a hate crime rollin74 Mar 2015 #49

What do mean shit like this will happen? allforone Mar 2015 #46

I agree it's not a hate crime-appeared to be two losers high on drugs looking to geek tragedy Mar 2015 #54

They didn't mug him they asked a question on a high profile racist event to the only white person allforone Mar 2015 #58

That wasn't the beginning of the encounter. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #60

Hate crimes are determined by deeds and words spoken allforone Mar 2015 #62

you think they'd have asked an older black man what he thought of Brown's death KittyWampus Mar 2015 #191

No, they would ask him for his wallet or phone, and then beat the shit out of him. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #192

Riiiight.... pintobean Mar 2015 #194

A couple of observations SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #75

Considering that the DOJ cleared the killing of Brown as a crime at all, no it can't be considered mythology Mar 2015 #77

Do you think black people are justified in beating white people? XemaSab Mar 2015 #140

I think the shooting and killing of unarmed blacks is a more serious issue. Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #147

You didn't answer my question. XemaSab Mar 2015 #150

I said people who commit assault should be punished Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #151

The assault on the bus could have resulted in pintobean Mar 2015 #152

I haven't defended any crime Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #153

Not at all, they just ignore your words. Goodluck. Rex Mar 2015 #154

Thank you, Rex! Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #155

"asked for his cell phone" pintobean Mar 2015 #162

You are and Cali didn't fall for it. Did you not read my post? Rex Mar 2015 #164

Hey Rex, can I use your cell phone? pintobean Mar 2015 #166

Of course not, I wouldn't trust you with a wooden nickle. Rex Mar 2015 #167

You believe that thug XemaSab Mar 2015 #168

Or never been intimidated by someone or a group of people. Rex Mar 2015 #169

You really think he would expect anyone pintobean Mar 2015 #170

He was going to take the man's phone, I understand that it bothers you to no Rex Mar 2015 #187

"So now all the sudden you are a mind reader." pintobean Mar 2015 #189

Easy to see through is dead on. bettyellen Mar 2015 #173

Show me where I've posted any of that bullshit. pintobean Mar 2015 #179

YEP. Rex Mar 2015 #200

So says Rex, in the 200th reply. pintobean Mar 2015 #202

Can you see through the Feds, too? pintobean Apr 2015 #206

Well I know what your motives are Rex Apr 2015 #207

How cheesy pintobean Apr 2015 #208

I guess you haven't read the DOJ report on the Michael Brown case. Vattel Mar 2015 #188

I just saw the guy being interviewed. cwydro Mar 2015 #39

And blacks are affraid to go about their daily lives because of cops Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #45

Nice of you to be so dismissive. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #57

People are dismissive of the fear blacks have of cops Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #61

How does that excuse this assault? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #63

Who said it excuses their assault? Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #64

Well, if you're not excusing it... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #69

Who said it's no big deal? Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #72

No, just inferring from your dismissive tone. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #73

Inferring from my tone? LOL. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #74

Jury Results stone space Mar 2015 #113

For the record, I didn't alert. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #127

Nobody said it was excusable, but why can't you put murder and assault into perspective? marble falls Mar 2015 #125

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #121

Why are whites more unsafe because of the actions of an idiot DA? cwydro Mar 2015 #59

... nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #47

Looks like an aborted mugging. They wanted his phone and when they didn't geek tragedy Mar 2015 #51

Some kinda punks having their fun for the night, benld74 Mar 2015 #56

Horrible. Aerows Mar 2015 #92

Strange how long the filming was going on treestar Mar 2015 #71

From the timing of the punches- as the train was pulling in to the station it seems planned by both. bettyellen Mar 2015 #79

they probably filmed it to put on their facebook page questionseverything Mar 2015 #81

Kinda see it, but I also saw the camera turn away from Red Cap when he looked back towards .... marble falls Mar 2015 #126

idk i hadnt thought of it as being planned ahead until those 2 above mentioned it questionseverything Mar 2015 #149

Stop and frisk helps a lot of white people not get arrested, as does ATF policies avoiding more bettyellen Mar 2015 #190

i believe the 4th amendment should apply to every citizen questionseverything Mar 2015 #195

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Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #119

I can't believe romanic Mar 2015 #120

I don't understand it either. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #129

What's to understand? melman Mar 2015 #161

You got that right allforone Mar 2015 #174

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #123

as harsh as our justice system is Enrique Mar 2015 #146

Thank you! One of the few reasonable responses on this thread. ieoeja Mar 2015 #199

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #163

This story will certainly allow... LanternWaste Mar 2015 #180

***Breaking*** Three suspects arrested in attack on MetroLink rider pintobean Mar 2015 #182

Good news rollin74 Mar 2015 #184

2 arrested, another in custody and cooperating pintobean Mar 2015 #193

This is the America we live in now... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #183

are we actually debating this? booley Mar 2015 #196

+1. n/t Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #201