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bvar22

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70. There are pro-Free Trade Propagandists in Mexico who made millions,

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:11 PM

Mar 2015

...just like in the USA and on DU.

Under Nafta, Mexico Suffered, and the United States Felt Its Pain.

The New York Times
Nov 24, 2013 - Nafta is limping toward its 20th anniversary with a beat-up image and a bad track record. Recent polls show that the majority of the U.S. people favors “leaving” or “renegotiating” the model trade agreement.

While much has been said about its impact on U.S. job loss and eroding labor conditions, some of the most severe impacts of Nafta have been felt south of the border.
While much has been said about its impact on U.S. job loss and eroding labor conditions, some of the most severe impacts of Nafta have been felt south of the border.
Corn imports drove down farmers' price, driving millions to migrate north. It lowered labor rights and environmental rules, hurting all workers.

Nafta has cut a path of destruction through Mexico. Since the agreement went into force in 1994, the country’s annual per capita growth flat-lined to an average of just 1.2 percent -- one of the lowest in the hemisphere. Its real wage has declined and unemployment is up.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/11/24/what-weve-learned-from-nafta/under-nafta-mexico-suffered-and-the-united-states-felt-its-pain

My source is the NY Times.
Your source is some blog somewhere.

You'll have to do better.
I've SEEN it.
I KNOW what is real.

www.nytimes.com/...nafta/under-nafta-mexico-suff...

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In Case You Missed This... 'NAFTA, TPP & The Clinton Global Initiative's "Free Trade" Activism' [View all] WillyT Mar 2015 OP

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They mocked the crap out of Ross Perot for saying there would be a giant sucking sound of GoneFishin Mar 2015 #3

And then they tried to whitewash it Populist_Prole Mar 2015 #31

It's like they really have no idea how these policies are creating economic Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #4

The Clintons are in a bubble. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #14

the clintons are out for themselves. bubbles have nothing to do with it; they're not ND-Dem Mar 2015 #32

I cannot understand it. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #36

when they get too old to keep driving hard and sometimes not even then. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #43

There does seem to be a preponderance of 80 year old billionaires. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #44

Damn straight. hifiguy Apr 2015 #77

When it comes to supporting marym625 Mar 2015 #5

Jesus, that picture says it all BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #6

Yeah... Huh... WillyT Mar 2015 #63

Thanks for posting WillyT! Grayson: "We are creating tens of millions of jobs in other countries... RiverLover Mar 2015 #7

Pete Peterson sure seems to have his hands in a lot of dirty anti-labor pies. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #8

One of the TPP puppet masters is revealed! RiverLover Mar 2015 #10

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #13

Alfred Hitchcock maindawg Mar 2015 #9

Why does Pete Peterson hate America? Enthusiast Mar 2015 #11

It's not a matter of pragmatism, it is a mental illness so it is not a rational behavior. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #42

Greed is the most powerful, pernicious and dangerous addiction hifiguy Apr 2015 #78

Thanks Thespian2 Mar 2015 #12

"Pro-NAFTA companies...moved existing jobs abroad almost as soon as it was signed." cheapdate Mar 2015 #15

Really sad stuff. /nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #16

have to see this to believe it nationalize the fed Mar 2015 #17

Seems to me the 1990s were very good for jobs. I don't believe NAFTA was anywhere Hoyt Mar 2015 #18

Yes, they were great for shitty jobs without benefits eridani Mar 2015 #19

But not because of NAFTA.. Actually very good jobs were created in the 1990s. Hoyt Mar 2015 #20

So why skyrocketing homelessness and food bank usage n/t eridani Mar 2015 #22

I don't deny many poor, mentally ill, and those with skills no longer in demand were forgotten.. Hoyt Mar 2015 #24

Which all went away when the tech bubble crashed eridani Mar 2015 #33

Do you have a citation for the 80%, and what do you consider a s/&t job? Hoyt Mar 2015 #34

Anything that pays less than the equivalent of $15/hou or is involuntarily part timer n/t eridani Mar 2015 #35

I pretty much agree with that, although maybe a bit lower in 1990s. Hoyt Mar 2015 #37

OMG... LeftOfWest Mar 2015 #40

Says the guy who didn't lose his/her job to off shoring. Phlem Mar 2015 #27

Certain jobs were going elsewhere long before NAFTA. Hoyt Mar 2015 #30

bs. LeftOfWest Mar 2015 #41

what a load. Phlem Mar 2015 #45

You don't believe jobs were going overseas before NAFTA, people weren't buying foreign cars or Hoyt Mar 2015 #46

So you for free trade and the TPP? Phlem Mar 2015 #48

Ypu obviously haven't read any of the agreements. They include standards for worker rights. Hoyt Mar 2015 #49

Uh, that's not it Chief. Phlem Mar 2015 #50

Obviously you aren't interested in reading others' opinions. Hoyt Mar 2015 #52

Buh By. Phlem Mar 2015 #53

" They include standards for worker rights." bvar22 Mar 2015 #68

Mexico is better off now, although not as they should be. Otherwise, Mx wouldn't have begged for TPP Hoyt Mar 2015 #69

There are pro-Free Trade Propagandists in Mexico who made millions, bvar22 Mar 2015 #70

Did you read the counter arguments to the opinion piece listed on left side Hoyt Mar 2015 #71

I've BEEN there. bvar22 Mar 2015 #72

I think your experience is a bit limited. Economies are much larger than you or me. Hoyt Mar 2015 #73

ANf your "experience" (reading the propaganda and sales brochures)... bvar22 Apr 2015 #75

We have that here. I don't see Mexico backing away from trade deals.. Hoyt Apr 2015 #76

Do you believe that the campesinos and maquiladoras actually have a VOICE? bvar22 Apr 2015 #81

Thanks. That explains a lot. LeftOfWest Mar 2015 #39

Unless you were one of the 330K+ people in Ohio who lost a good manufacturing job. pa28 Mar 2015 #59

"well, we're against NAFTA *now*, so that means TPP'll be great *now*!" MisterP Mar 2015 #21

As you can see from the post directly above this that Phlem Mar 2015 #51

Huge K&R. woo me with science Mar 2015 #23

K&R liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #25

K&R and bookmarking. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #26

K&R! K&R! K&R! K&R! Phlem Mar 2015 #28

It's not Pete Peterson alone, it's the Clinton Global Initiative that's working in concert. hedda_foil Mar 2015 #29

Kickety kick kick. Scuba Mar 2015 #38

In case you missed it, bvar22 Mar 2015 #47

It's only been in effect 2 years, some of the provisions won't go into affect for a few more years. Hoyt Mar 2015 #54

After 2 years, will the 70,000 jobs come back? bvar22 Mar 2015 #55

Do you think the absence of trade agreements would help the vast majority of workers Hoyt Mar 2015 #57

I see you ducked MY question. bvar22 Mar 2015 #60

Almost all have helped in various ways, you just don't get the long-term impact. Hoyt Mar 2015 #62

Dear Hoyt... Do You Not See A System Rigged For The Few ??? WillyT Mar 2015 #64

I would suggest you read and think of the overall impact for the world, not just you. Hoyt Mar 2015 #65

Four Words... WillyT Mar 2015 #66

Workers in other countries? Hoyt Mar 2015 #67

It's past time to strop the National Razor. hifiguy Apr 2015 #79

That is a tacit admission that "Free TRade" is BAD for the American Worker. bvar22 Apr 2015 #74

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This is the type of info that is so depressing. dgibby Mar 2015 #58

Can you spot the troll in this thread? Phlem Mar 2015 #61

I Have No Idea... What You're Talking About... WillyT Apr 2015 #80

Just read this, bumping for greater visibility dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #82