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TampaAnimusVortex

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15. I wouldnt discount it so quickly. It has benefits as well as issues.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:13 AM
Apr 2015

Benefits

Low inflation risk. One of the biggest problems with our current dollars and other currencies used around the world is inflation. Over time all currencies lose purchasing power at a rate of few percents per year mainly because governments keep printing more money. This process is basically a small tax on your accumulated wealth. With Bitcoin you don't have this problem because the system is designed to make Bitcoins to be finite. Only about 21 milion Bitcoins will ever be released (mined). The release of new Bitcoins is slowing down and it will stop completely within a few decades. We have a slowing population growth which is projected to stop at around 10 billion by approximately 2050 which roughly coincides with the last Bitcoin to be mined. There will be roughly 1 Bitcoins for every 500 people.

Low collapse risk. Regular currencies depend on governments which fail ocassionally. Such events either cause hyperinflation or a complete collapse of a currency, which can wipe out savings of a lifetime in day. Bitcoin is not regulated by any one government. It's a virtual global currency.

Safe, simple and cheap. The problem with traditional online transactions from the perspective of the seller is that Credit cards, PayPal you and other online payment systems allow buyers to claim their money back. You can can use escrow services but that makes things complicated and slow. With Bitcoins once you have the money you have it and that's that. Buyers can not in any way take the money back and the seller can safely ship the product or perform the service that the client purchased. From the buyer's perspective the infrustructure for payments and sending money between accounts is potentially going to be simpler and cheaper because it is peer-to-peer rather than done through some intermediary.

Easy to carry. Not a real problem that needs a solution, but you can carry a billion dollars worths of Bitcoins on a memory stick in your pocket. You can't do that with cash or even gold.

Untraceable. This is both a benefit and a risk for Bitcoin. The benefit is that you don't have to be afraid of any organization of being able to trace the source of your funds. This is a clear benefit in many areas of the world because governements that are supposed to guard against fraud are actually defrauding people by taking their savings partially or fully. Regarding risks I will discuss them in the next section.

Risks

Untraceable. This feature of Bitcoin of also attracts crime. People can buy and sell drugs and other illegal items with significantly less risk of being traced by authorities. Bitcoins in this regard are similar to regular cash which is used by criminals. This fact may bring unwanted attention from governments that will outlaw Bitcoin.

Easy to lose. If your credit card is stolen or somebody hacks into your bank account there is a good chance you will not lose any money as banks will fix your balance. Even cash can be potentially recovered if the police acts fast. But with Bitcoin if you lose it you lost it for good. There is no mechanism to recover stolen or lost Bitcoins. If somebody hacks into your wallet where you store your Bitcoins you lost them for good. The best way to store your Bitcoins is on disk that is disconnected from the internet.

Hard to trade. You can't just use a credit card to buy Bitcoins online specifically because of the reasons outlined above. There is no easy way to buy them or sell them. There are many exchanges that offer such services in various ways, but it's not as easy as transferring money to and from a PayPal account just yet. This is likely to improve fast as more services will compete to offer convenient solutions.

Still too new. Bitcoin is only a few years old. It's possible that a competing crypto currency becomes more successful than Bitcoin or that somebody somehow finds a major flaw in the system. We don't have decades of history yet.

Can't buy stuff. There aren't a lot of places where Bitcoins are accepted as payment. This is likely to change, but for now the average person will mostly buy Bitcoins as investment.

Too volatile. Currently Bitcoin prices are going up like crazy. It's likely that the price will stabilize at around US$10 from the current US$200. Currently the price is going up so fast a webshop would have to adjust their prices almost daily if they wanted to accept Bitcoins. It's not very convenient.

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It's April 1st they should just have announced they've adopted it already. nt PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #1
Well see tomorrow, but the underlying links are valid TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #4
This has to just be a negotiating ploy Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #6
Not necessarily TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #7
But there's only a finite number of bitcoins to be mined, right? Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #9
Yes - 21 million, but they can be subdivided 8 decimal points TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #11
Assuming the value doesn't bottom out... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #16
Value is determined by supply and demand. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #21
What about when it gains value? Also known as deflation Taitertots Apr 2015 #41
Thats the myth for sure... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #42
Go read Macroeconomics 2nd Edition by Paul Krugman Taitertots Apr 2015 #64
How about use your own brain? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #65
How about you stop making non-sense statements that require a sourced response? Taitertots Apr 2015 #66
Except the facts dont suport your case... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #67
LOL @ Von Mises as your source. Taitertots Apr 2015 #74
So you dont have anything but 1 data point to back up your position. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #75
One data point? Go read Krugman's macro book. Go read any macro book. Taitertots Apr 2015 #76
And yet the electronics industry is booming in the face of deflation. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #84
The dollar isn't experiencing deflation and neither is the Yuan. The "electronics industry" isn't Taitertots Apr 2015 #104
Are you really siding with this guy? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #108
Are you really siding with an April Fools' joke? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #111
You're giving up your defense of deflation already? That didn't take long. Taitertots Apr 2015 #113
Not hardly. I LOVE cheaper prices! I can buy more stuff! TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #114
Did you ever consider the falling prices could be for the goods/services you sell? Taitertots Apr 2015 #115
21 million bitcoins X 232.34 euros = 4,879,140,000 euros Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #77
At current prices yes... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #79
Greece elected this government to throw out the crooked, Wall St appointed sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #17
And? Making bitcoin the national currency won't be the answer... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #19
Cutting themselves loose from their banker overlords with Bitcoin is exactly what they need. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #23
Full disclosure time -- What's your personal stake in bitcoin? Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #53
Really? With a market cap of billions, do you really think your important? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #58
Whoa...Slow the hell down... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #59
It wasn't an attack on you TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #60
Is that why its value is $230 less than it was a year ago? Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #62
Watch the video TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #63
Perhaps, but even more stupid would be for them to continue to allow sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #24
Maybe financial salvation will come from their new Russian buddies Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #54
That's what will happen, if the Western Imperial powers continue to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #55
I see my meaning of "mutual interests" went over your head Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #56
What went over my head was any concern for the suffering of the people of that country sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #57
Part of the 1% push to desperately sabotage any threat of peace negotiations anywhere, as well villager Apr 2015 #52
I'm having a hard time telling what's real and a bluff in these negotiations at this point. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #8
Links to: an article mentioning Varoufakis; Wikipedia on April Fools' Day; muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #107
April 1? Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #2
Actually, fully electronic wallets would allow Greece to fight tax-evasion. DetlefK Apr 2015 #3
He seems like a pretty good person to have in this position under the current circumstances. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #5
"libertarian Marxist" = another term for "emoprog dudebro" Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #10
While I knew it was just for fun, I googled "emoprog dudebro." NCTraveler Apr 2015 #13
He is an EXCELLENT person for Greece right now. Bernie Sanders has stated that we need sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #18
Once Greece realizes Bitcoin is as good any deal the Germans will offer....... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #12
Yes, it can. Spain and Ireland, Portugal among others are already showing signs sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #20
Indeed. About time to embrace a global currency TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #22
It's what we all should do as well. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #27
And Bitcoin is created out of... randome Apr 2015 #29
The same thing the US dollar is made out of... Faith /nt TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #38
Yes. When they dropped the gold standard. What, 40 or 50 years ago. closeupready Apr 2015 #40
So your agreeing with my point then. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #43
Yes. However, getting from point A to point B is the trick. closeupready Apr 2015 #47
"Faith is all that's required to support a currency." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #68
I agree TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #69
Good God. Can Greece embarrass itself any more? randome Apr 2015 #14
I wouldnt discount it so quickly. It has benefits as well as issues. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #15
Greece has finally climbed up out of the embarrassing, disastrous situation its crooked sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #25
Their 'stand' is embarrassing. randome Apr 2015 #28
And those 'tax cheats' made off with their ill gotten gains to offshore accounts. Time to bring sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #30
I hope they succeed, too. But I don't see it happening. randome Apr 2015 #31
The working class cannot 'hide' their 'cash' anywhere. You mean the top 1% sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #32
Cash has value outside of the economic activity that it represents because of its liquidity. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #70
Close, but not quite TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #82
They've also implemented a law awarding citizens $200 for passing Go. Orrex Apr 2015 #26
And Bitcoin or Monopoly are at least as sound as Austerity. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #33
They haven't put a stop to anything The2ndWheel Apr 2015 #34
They are the first government to refuse to place their country into any more sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #46
In theory, it's a nice idea, but they'd be better off bringing back the drachma. closeupready Apr 2015 #35
How is this better? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #39
Bitcoin would be unhelpful to Greece because it is too similar to the Euro phantom power Apr 2015 #36
And why is this a problem exactly? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #37
I think I'll call you "Mister Gold Standard" phantom power Apr 2015 #44
Cute cartoon - but pretty obvious evasion of the question. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #45
Can you answer the question asked? Cartoons are not a productive or substantive sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #48
We know a lot about the failure modes of deflationary currencies like precious metals or bitcoins phantom power Apr 2015 #49
No, we dont know that - See Post 42 TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #50
Bringing back the drachma would make sense, not switching to bitcoin (this is an April Fools' joke) Chathamization Apr 2015 #61
Yes one of the big advantages of controlling your own currency is you can do an 'inflation tax' PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #51
Which is also why it could minimize war. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #81
I might be mistaken.. sendero Apr 2015 #71
Yes you are. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #72
I had not delved... sendero Apr 2015 #73
Ok and how would Greece purchase those coins? Egnever Apr 2015 #89
Your right... No one ever thought of that problem. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #91
Well since you seem to have the answers feel free to explain how Egnever Apr 2015 #92
Greece will issue keyboards to every citizen... randome Apr 2015 #96
Wow... you really think it takes a keyboard to mine Bitcoins... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #98
One thing I have noticed, when I pay my Dish TV bill... GReedDiamond Apr 2015 #78
Dell, Microsoft, Overstock... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #80
How would you get a loan, then? randome Apr 2015 #83
Same way you would today. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #85
That's where this entire scheme falls apart. randome Apr 2015 #86
Who said anything about saving for a house? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #87
You mistakenly believe I WANT to stop it. I don't. randome Apr 2015 #93
And obviously it must stay this way... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #97
How would that be helpful? Egnever Apr 2015 #88
Well - that solves that one. /nt TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #90
So you concede this would not help them in any way whatsoever. Egnever Apr 2015 #94
Nope, you waded into the battle here and solved it for everyone. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #95
It's pretty clear from your posts above you aren't interested in knowledge. Egnever Apr 2015 #99
I'll ask again, are you trying to drum up interest or support for bitcoin or not? CreekDog Apr 2015 #100
Here, let Yanis Varoufakis solve it for everyone muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #106
As long as this isn't accurate: "Bitcoin revealed: a Ponzi scheme for redistributing wealth" Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #101
Here we go. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #103
Thanks. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #105
If this happens, I'm opening a fedora shop in Greece Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #102
"we will be ahead of all the world economies" FLPanhandle Apr 2015 #109
You did read the bit at the end explicitly saying it was an April Fools' joke, didn't you ? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #110
All would do well to read the author's note at the end. Greek Onions anyone? DFW Apr 2015 #112
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