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happyslug

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133. Quit knocking the Roman Empire.....
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:12 AM
Apr 2015

Easter's date is set under Rules the reflect the long term budget (19 years) adopted by the Emperor Diocletian. When Constantine became Emperor he asked the Christian Bishops to standardize some Christian holidays to reflect traditional Roman Holiday. For over 100 years prior to Constantine, the Roman Army had slowly adopted the Sun as its "god" and that worship (And this is NOT worship of the Sun God Apollo, but the sun itself) had a holiday every 14 days on what we call Sunday. The Christians bishops read the bible and notice the bible only says one out of 7 days is a day of rest and that day could be Sunday instead of Saturday, thus to keep the Sun Worshippers happy, the day of rest was transferred to Sunday.

Worshipping of the almighty Sun continued under Constantine but seems to have been replaced by Arianism in the Roman Army by the time of death of Constantine's son. Emperor Julian then became emperor and seems to have a plan to return Rome to Pagan Worship, but died in battle as he retreated from his failed attempt to sack the Capital of Persia so he could pay for the reconversion. Subsequent Emperors returned to Constantine's policy of looting Pagan Temples for the Gold in those temples, so the troops could be paid (Constantine minted Gold Coins from such Loots called "Soldius" from which we get the term Soldier). This "Looting" was always controlled, called "Riots" by pagan writers, but here were NEVER riots, the Emperor and his troops were always in control for they wanted the gold from the Temples to pay the troops.

As to Easter, most Christian Churches in the Western Empire did NOT have access to Jewish calendars, so it was decided to adopt a rule based on the 19 year long term Roman Budget. The reason 19 was picked was Rome, when it came to numbers had a tendency to be "Inclusive" as oppose to being 'exclusive" i.e. Year One of a 20 year cycle was also the 20th year of the previous cycle. We tend to be "exclusive" i.e year one of a 20 year cycle is the year AFTER the 20th year of the previous cycle. This caused some problems after Julius Ceasar had adopted the Julian Calendar for Rome when he was Dictator of Rome. The Julian Calendar had a leap year every four years (like today's Gregorian Calendar) and it was clear Julius Ceasar wanted it be four exclusive years, but for about 20-30 years it was done on an exclusive basis, i.e. every three years as we calculate three years, but that was every four years as the Ancient Romans counted years. Augustus Ceasar discovered this error and corrected it but it does cause some problems for the years the three year rule was used.

Thus the date of Easter is based on Roman Budget periods for even the invading barbarians knew of those periods for they had been paid based on those periods. The Christian Church that survived the fall of the Roman Empire, also kept that long term budget and with it the 19 year "golden period". It was called the "Golden Period" for the budget from Constantine onward was in terms of gold (and the troops were paid in gold AND the entrance for any visiting royalty to Constantinople, the capital of the Roman Empire AFTER the fall of the Empire in the West, entered that city through its "Golden Gate&quot .

Side note: The older Roman Empire had paid is troops and debts in silver, but when the Silver mines of Spain watered out in the mid 200s, something had to replace the silver and no one came up with a replacement till Constantine decided to abandon paganism (and its Golden Idols) in favor of Christianity. n many ways, Rome was forced to become Christian for it was the only Empire Wide Religion that did NOT have golden idols to maintain. Gold was used by the Christians but in times of Crisis they would give it up, unlike the Pagan Temples that refused to do so.

Such a comment that HOW we calculate when Easter occurs is based on What the Roman Emperors required. It is NOT religious in calculation except that Easter had to be one day for all Christians (or as few as different days as possible, thus the Orthodox add the requirement it be after Passover, some thing many Christians in the Western Roman Empire did not know how to calculate thus NOT a requirement in Catholic or Protestant Religions.

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Are you expecting extremist Christians to read the Bible? get the red out Mar 2015 #1
I know, how silly of me. comes from an insufficient caffeine intake today. niyad Mar 2015 #2
Or any fundie preacher stealing $s from his flock erronis Mar 2015 #18
Don't expect fundie Christians to pay any attention to Numbers and Leviticus Yupster Mar 2015 #61
They're hypocrites though. They throw out the dietary stuff while hammering on Lev 18:22. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #75
They do have an explanation for that. However, whenever I post it, I get treated as though I merrily Mar 2015 #81
They always claim the prohibition against homosexuality is still active, while the other stuff isn't nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #82
There is an answer for that, too, but, it's time consuming to give and, as stated, I've learned merrily Mar 2015 #84
The one NT passage they can cite is Romans 1:27-32. But those are Paul's words, not Christ's. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #85
The position I referred to is not a one passage argument or I would have cited it. merrily Mar 2015 #90
DAYUM! calimary Mar 2015 #3
ouch! another question: guillaumeb Mar 2015 #4
thank you. funny how their jesus is so different from the one most of us have heard of- niyad Mar 2015 #6
Well, indirectly.. Jesus did speak about abortion, Motown_Johnny Mar 2015 #26
He stated that he came to fulfill and perfect the Law. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #29
... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #47
the bible book they redacted guillaumeb Mar 2015 #57
Actually no. Check this out... nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #76
Years ago, I encountered a translation of the bible that omitted Hosea 13:16 arcane1 Mar 2015 #5
whenever I hear someone using the bible as a basis for whatever, I ask which one of the niyad Mar 2015 #7
Exactly.. sendero Mar 2015 #19
What a humane and enlightened assemblage of fairytales. hifiguy Mar 2015 #8
The talmud does specifically reference abortion, actually. Kber Mar 2015 #9
My late MIL was no scholar but she certainly knew about this. She said to me.... Hekate Mar 2015 #11
it also tells you what to do if your dog violates your cleaning lady--it's prepared for EVERY MisterP Mar 2015 #34
What's the prescribed "remedy"? Just curious. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #77
Oh those Hebrews.. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #35
A minister's job is to give a sermon in safeinOhio Mar 2015 #10
I knew it... ileus Mar 2015 #12
Numbers says all we need to know... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #13
Numbers, chapter 5 explains how a priest should do an abortion perdita9 Mar 2015 #14
When the day cometh that it become immoral and criminal to force a woman to carry an unwanted Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #15
Great references from the one reference they say they will always stand behind Jon82 Mar 2015 #16
Most fundamental Christians Cryptoad Mar 2015 #23
Matthew 18:6 says nothing about harming a child ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #17
There are many Bibles versions. Cryptoad Mar 2015 #22
there are plenty of 'iffy' things if you pick and choose ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #31
Beyond taking liberty, I would call it lying. I read the referenced passages. Shrike47 Mar 2015 #116
I was trying to be nice about it, but you are Right,,,,,, nt Cryptoad Mar 2015 #125
There are over 41,000 Christian Sects,,,,, it unfair Cryptoad Mar 2015 #20
no offense angrychair Mar 2015 #25
Matthew 18:6 sulphurdunn Mar 2015 #21
It really is.....but then, mentioning the significance of the fact....... WillowTree Mar 2015 #27
Yes, and there is certainly sulphurdunn Mar 2015 #93
I just can't get over the sacrificing the 1st born . Fla Dem Mar 2015 #24
you think this is about sacrificing ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #32
Consecration is not the same as sacrifice. colorado_ufo Mar 2015 #33
The firstborn was to be dedicated to the service of God, not killed. merrily Mar 2015 #78
1st born animals too? How does that work? nt Fla Dem Mar 2015 #94
My Bible says something different in Numbers 5:21. appleannie1 Mar 2015 #28
I aslo recall ending someone's pregnancy being a lesser punishment Bradical79 Mar 2015 #30
Such death of a fetus is mentioned a couple of times in the bible happyslug Mar 2015 #40
Only one of these verses is from the New Testament which is the only part former9thward Mar 2015 #36
See my cite below, I had to stop after looking up the first three "Cites" happyslug Mar 2015 #39
Oh the context argument again phil89 Mar 2015 #43
If you throw out phil89 Mar 2015 #41
I'm not throwing out anything. former9thward Mar 2015 #44
Cannibalism of live children? A Simple Game Mar 2015 #37
You really thought the verses quoted in the OP were real? former9thward Mar 2015 #45
Perhaps not word for word, but yes I do think they are really from the bible. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #50
I have a Bible. former9thward Mar 2015 #53
To be honest I was mainly concerned with the cannibalism. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #62
For the sake of honesty, okasha Mar 2015 #80
The Old Testament is full of violence because that era in human history former9thward Mar 2015 #89
I'm sure they cooked them first. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #49
Well to be honest it does say the children should eat their parents too. n/t A Simple Game Mar 2015 #51
Sounds like a nice book. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #52
That would be Ezekiel 5:10 and a couple of others. Cerridwen Mar 2015 #65
What a bad set of bibical quotes... happyslug Mar 2015 #38
And you think phil89 Mar 2015 #42
Bible hub is just what it sounds like. Cerridwen Mar 2015 #60
Actually it depends on the translations, is it still in copyright? happyslug Mar 2015 #131
Leviticus does not say that oberliner Mar 2015 #46
It's all serious distortion trying to make it say what they want to be able to claim that it says. WillowTree Mar 2015 #48
I would agree with that oberliner Mar 2015 #99
which version? niyad Mar 2015 #96
Take your pick oberliner Mar 2015 #100
there are some 500 versions out there. niyad Mar 2015 #101
Leviticus is the basis of the anti-gay thing, right underpants Mar 2015 #54
Leviticus 20, which starts with forbidding sacrificing children... happyslug Mar 2015 #132
May God bless and keep you all... onpatrol98 Mar 2015 #55
Here's a picture depicting exactly how much I care what the bible or any other religious text says PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #56
I tried turning the paper over guillaumeb Mar 2015 #58
That side depicts how much our government should care. PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #59
nice guillaumeb Mar 2015 #63
that is exactly as it should be. niyad Mar 2015 #106
The OP is lying. Matthew 18:6--see text below: Wella Mar 2015 #64
The image in the OP is wrong about Matthew 18:6. Cerridwen Mar 2015 #66
I'll check out the others, verse by verse. But the OP and the image are lying Wella Mar 2015 #67
The image has some issues. The OP is mistaken, not lying. Cerridwen Mar 2015 #68
so what about the other 11 citations? hobbit709 Mar 2015 #83
I suspect that the author of the poster is taking most of the verses quoted out of context or just jwirr Mar 2015 #92
again, to which of the some 500 versions out there do you refer? niyad Mar 2015 #105
The bible, a tabloid book of tales chosen for political impact of that day! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #69
+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #70
Hey. Niyad. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #71
wow. PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #72
oh my, had not realized. thank you so much for letting me know. niyad Mar 2015 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Mar 2015 #73
Thanks to all who went to the trouble of debunking this! Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #74
It is not completely debunkable because the Bible does say some of those things. At least, merrily Mar 2015 #79
The King James version isn't that good a translation. winter is coming Mar 2015 #87
The description of that battle was not a matter of translating 1 or 2 words or a filling in one merrily Mar 2015 #88
of course, since the bible was not originally written in english, and most of us niyad Mar 2015 #126
I did specify exactly which version I meant and please see also Reply 88. merrily Mar 2015 #130
you mean, thanks to the people who were using one of the other 500 versions? niyad Mar 2015 #98
Okay. Well you know most people probably have no idea of the full Gospel canon. Rex Mar 2015 #86
my favourite comment about the bible: "it is amazing that white europeans follow niyad Mar 2015 #97
LOL! Rex Mar 2015 #114
and then, of course, we have the thomasine and marian gospels. niyad Mar 2015 #108
Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2015 #91
K&R! marym625 Mar 2015 #95
RIghtwing asses hate abortion because it is a woman making a choice on her own NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #102
that is exactly correct. niyad Mar 2015 #103
That is it exactly! smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #129
I'm soooooooo tired of the freakin' bible. nt valerief Mar 2015 #104
especially when it is being used to promote legislation in a secular nation. it would be amusing niyad Mar 2015 #109
Yeah. Too bad the blind can't see their own reflection. (No offense to visually valerief Mar 2015 #124
So sorry, but WHY was the earlier Jesus thread locked, but this one thrives? Atman Mar 2015 #110
I have no idea to which thread you are referring. must have missed it. niyad Mar 2015 #111
Might have been because Willie P posted it. Atman Mar 2015 #112
thank you for posting the link. I had not yet seen it. niyad Mar 2015 #113
Oh, and if this all Biblical and God and stuff...why can't they get the date right? Atman Mar 2015 #115
new vacation schedule? n/t ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #117
HE IS RISEN! Atman Mar 2015 #118
oh, so because we try to superimpose our solar calendar ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #119
"People like me." Atman Mar 2015 #121
essentially... ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #122
BWHAHA! So now it's "disdain." Atman Apr 2015 #135
Quit knocking the Roman Empire..... happyslug Apr 2015 #133
So, Jesus goes fishing one day. Atman Mar 2015 #120
Now THAT is a good walkin' on water joke... ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #123
oh dear, you almost owed me a keyboard. niyad Mar 2015 #127
my favourite walking on water joke: niyad Mar 2015 #128
So Jesus and Moses go golfing one day Yupster Apr 2015 #134
always liked it. back when I first heard it, "but he thinks he's arnold palmer" niyad Apr 2015 #136
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