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Ms. Toad

(38,648 posts)
7. Good, but not far enough.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:15 AM
Apr 2015

They need to take another look at long-term income v. assets. We pinched pennies on a very modest income for most of our daughter's life and managed to build up a fairly sizeable nest egg - unfortunately most of it NOT in retirement accounts because the amount that can be put in a retirement account without the cooperation of an employer is pretty darn small.

But rather than live in a fancy house, with cable TV, smart phones, drive fancy car, and take fancy vacations, we live in a house that we could have bought outright for a year's salary or less, have never had cable TV, got smart phones last year when the first $0 - $10/month wifi-first plans became available, our youngest car is 12 years old, and we mostly vacation at home. The money we saved went into general savings (even though we always thought of it as being for college and retirement).

And - when our daughter went to a pricey college, we paid for being frugal by being denied any financial aid, in large part because we had assets that weren't tucked away in retirement accounts (which we didn't have the ability to create).

It just yanks my chain when financial aid plans punish those who take advantage of modest good fortune by making responsible choices that delay current gratification in favor of making sure there is enough money to keep us in our old age (even if it isn't formally in retirement accounts) and reward those of similar means who don't have a dime socked away for retirement (or were fortunate enough to have cooperative employers).

It just feels too much to me like the scheme they tried implement where I used to teach - in which employees would be encouraged to bank their unused sick days for any co-workers who ran out and became ill. There were truly some who needed spare sick days because of chronic illnesses, but the majority of the individuals I know who ended up running out their sick days and had to take unpaid leave viewed themselves as entitled to 1.25 days a month - and they took them, whether they were sick or not. On the other hand, I had 90+ sick days in the bank when I left after at 11 years, after spending 30 days in the hospital one year.

Grump. grump. grump. Just tired of getting the short end of the stick for being always being the responsible one.

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i am proud of my alma mater drray23 Apr 2015 #1
Mine too BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #4
Fantastic, good for Stanford & CA. This is exactly what the US needs to do, the way we used to! appalachiablue Apr 2015 #2
and how many of those kind of students will actually get admitted? ND-Dem Apr 2015 #3
A bunch. Stanford deserves a lot of praise. Hoyt Apr 2015 #10
evidence? ND-Dem Apr 2015 #13
16% of all students there get Pell Grants, the best available measure of % of low-income ND-Dem Apr 2015 #25
Pell Grants aren't available to everybody. (nt) stone space Apr 2015 #33
no, they're for folks from low-income households. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #36
Pell grants and Federal Student Loans are not available to all low income students. stone space Apr 2015 #47
no, you have to be under the income limit. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #55
That only applies if you have the privilege. (nt) stone space Apr 2015 #57
what privilege is that? ND-Dem Apr 2015 #58
The privilege of being allowed access to student grants and loans. (nt) stone space Apr 2015 #59
Who are you thinking of that can't access federal student aid? n/t tammywammy Apr 2015 #68
First, Pell Grants aren't loans. Second, if you meet the requirements, you have access. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #92
Isn't there also a rule regarding point averages? You have to keep your grades up. jwirr Apr 2015 #60
once you're accepted to an accredited school if you meet the income guidelines, basically ND-Dem Apr 2015 #93
16% of all students doesn't equal out to 4% of each class. Ace Rothstein Apr 2015 #41
You're right. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #42
That would be 16% on average of each class tkmorris Apr 2015 #43
you're right. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #44
African American students feel more comfortable at Stanford than at Cal KamaAina Apr 2015 #16
Dunno about that but UCLA & UC Berkeley have a much larger percent of students getting ND-Dem Apr 2015 #26
Here you go KamaAina Apr 2015 #28
and i found some data about stanford's black undergrad enrollment; problem is, it seems to ND-Dem Apr 2015 #31
I think the public universities may have been more impacted by a court decision pnwmom Apr 2015 #67
I believe you are correct. salin Apr 2015 #77
Wasn't a court case, it was a ballot measure. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #91
several years later were the court cases - the ones I recall involved the U of Michigan salin Apr 2015 #100
Not exactly. Prop 209. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #90
If they are exceptional students and apply they would get admitted Brother Buzz Apr 2015 #23
16% of Stanford students get Pell Grants. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #24
There's still a 'Donut Hole' between Pell Grant recipients and being able to afford full tuition Brother Buzz Apr 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author enki23 Apr 2015 #5
which they can only do because they discriminate against the poor in admissions Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #6
Often it's the other way around KamaAina Apr 2015 #20
Good, but not far enough. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #7
Your situation mirrors my parents almost exactly. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #21
but you have the satisfaction of knowing you did the right thing, which is something at least; ND-Dem Apr 2015 #32
Yes, and no. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #38
That sounds hard. Working 65-100 hours a week and it's still possible to maintain your sanity? ND-Dem Apr 2015 #40
I love my job, Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #45
Thanks; you helped me feel better about my situation. I agree with your take. In theory -- ND-Dem Apr 2015 #46
April Fool, and/or Stanford will not admitt poor folk ..nt quadrature Apr 2015 #8
Through grants and loans, Stanford promises to meet 100% of financial need pnwmom Apr 2015 #9
Need as determined by FAFSA has put our family in debt. MelissaB Apr 2015 #11
Yes -- and that is true for many. But now Stanford is expanding the number of students pnwmom Apr 2015 #12
Good for Stanford dannward Apr 2015 #14
LOL. Yeah, those people at The Farm did okay this time. nt pnwmom Apr 2015 #22
The benefits of a $21 BILLION endowment. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #15
Now that is well endowed!!!! nt NCTraveler Apr 2015 #18
Good on Stanford and they deserve credit for doing this. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #17
DU rec...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #19
Good for Stanford. hifiguy Apr 2015 #27
Nice post, Ted Cruz! KamaAina Apr 2015 #29
That's not funny! hifiguy Apr 2015 #30
Well, think who I have to put up with KamaAina Apr 2015 #39
We all have our alumni crosses to bear. hifiguy Apr 2015 #84
Should we thank the President and Elizabeth Warren for jawboning the tuition and affordability issue kelliekat44 Apr 2015 #35
Both have done a good deal to spotlight national attention on college education costs & the loan- appalachiablue Apr 2015 #111
Brilliant! mahalo Stanford and pnwmom! Cha Apr 2015 #37
What about fees? Quantess Apr 2015 #48
Fees can be high, no doubt SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #49
Have you ever attended college in California? Quantess Apr 2015 #50
Well, the average cost of attenance for San Francisco State University is $6468/year SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #52
SFSU was "tuition free" in the early 1990s Quantess Apr 2015 #53
Yes, I see your point SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #69
Okay, great, *Insensitive One*. I guess you had everything go as planned, Quantess Apr 2015 #70
No, everything didn't go as planned in my life SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #71
WHAT?! You just now called me a liar, and that is not okay! Quantess Apr 2015 #72
I didn't call you a liar SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #73
What is your motivation for not taking me at my word? Quantess Apr 2015 #75
For what happened 20 years ago? SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #76
The great thing about internet discussions, especially DU discussions, Quantess Apr 2015 #78
Yes, we can SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #79
This is where you called me a liar for relating my own experience! Quantess Apr 2015 #81
I didn't call you a liar SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #82
DUH! Look below, genius. Quantess Apr 2015 #86
You seem to have a very big chip on your shoulder SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #87
Listen to your own advice! Quantess Apr 2015 #88
Stating fact is not picking a fight SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #89
Sarcasm and name calling? Wow, when did that happen? Quantess Apr 2015 #94
Go back and read what you've posted SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #95
You picked a fight with me, told me you didn't believe my story. Quantess Apr 2015 #96
As I said before, pointing out a fact is not picking a fight SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #97
What "fact" have you pointed out? Quantess Apr 2015 #99
The fact SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #101
"..as you initially claimed.." See, this is why people don't like you. Quantess Apr 2015 #102
If people don't like me because I prefer facts over fiction SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #104
So you ARE calling me a liar!!! Nice person you are??? Quantess Apr 2015 #105
Win? Nothing at all. SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #106
So, why do you HAVE TO win this contest? Quantess Apr 2015 #107
Why do you insist on calling it a "contest"? SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #110
Oh and also, I never claimed anything at all about present day costs at SFSU. Quantess Apr 2015 #108
I have read it SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #109
Great! merrily Apr 2015 #51
It isn't necessarily out of reach. MissB Apr 2015 #56
I meant only that a college education has become so expensive that you can earn over $100K a year merrily Apr 2015 #61
I am very skeptical. They will just increase the fees, obviously. Quantess Apr 2015 #54
Stanford is private -- not part of the public system that is written about there. pnwmom Apr 2015 #63
Standford is private? Okay, I did not know that. Quantess Apr 2015 #65
Maybe you're thinking of UCBerkeley? pnwmom Apr 2015 #66
Stanford students also call Stanford "The Farm" salin Apr 2015 #74
Do they still have The Axe hifiguy Apr 2015 #83
no idea salin Apr 2015 #98
Private colleges are not made for us poor people. DemocraticWing Apr 2015 #62
About 70% of their students are given financial aid pnwmom Apr 2015 #64
Exactly right and well said n/t SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #85
I think it's great SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #80
How lucky most would never achieve admittance. Historic NY Apr 2015 #103
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