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BainsBane

(57,760 posts)
44. No, she wasn't forced into the position
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 04:28 PM
Apr 2015

Nor were you, but you twice voted for the policies. Well, I'm assuming that you like I voted for it or you wouldn't be on this site.

Liberalism is tied to the notion of free markets as the best and most efficient means of economic production. Adam Smith was a liberal, as was John Locke. Liberalism emerged as the political corollary to capitalism. The term neoliberal should clue you in to its meaning. Americans are parochial and ahistorical in their conception of political ideology and thus manage to miss the fact that around the world liberalism is associated with the center-right. Liberals are not socialists and socialists are not liberals. Socialists oppose capital and seek a post-capitalist world order. Liberals don't critique capital. They seek to benefit form it. The socialist tradition in the US was systematically purged by the state, through the Palmer raids, deportation of socialist union leaders and activists, and ultimately through McCarthyism.

It is also clear the SW is lost without the former Soviet Union. It was always a publication that took it's cues from the USSR rather than Marxism itself. Now they seem to have abandoned Marxism entirely. That piece could have been posted on Think Progress or any other liberal site. I have read some very good, thoughtful articles in the International Socialist Review, http://isreview.org/issue/96. They certainly aren't going to endorse a candidate like Clinton, but they engage in critique grounded in Marxism, which matters to me.

You may not have defeating Clinton as your primary goal, but some do, and have even promoted Republicans like Rand Paul and Carly Fiorina over her. It's great that you want to support the best available Democratic candidate, only we have exactly zero Democratic candidates for President so far. Nor do I see an explanation for why O'Malley, the only other likely entrant into the race, is so much better than Clinton.

When so many people devote their political energies (some for years on end) to taking down a Democratic candidate, it is not an unreasonable conclusion that that is in fact their primary goal. Again, I'm not talking about you, but en masse the threads create a general impression.

Around 2001, I reconciled myself to the fact that I would have to choose among pro-capitalist candidates in the Democratic Party if I was to play my part in keeping the country from the kind of disaster that was the Bush administration. I now make political decisions pragmatically. I continue to care a great deal about worker oppression and income inequality, but as a feminism with a doctoral background in history, it bothers me to see attributed to Hillary Clinton all the ills associated with capitalism and American empire, characteristics that have defined this nation for as long as any of us has been alive. I would never suggest you should vote for Clinton or anyone else because she leads in the polls or any of that nonsense. You should vote for and support whichever candidate you choose, as I will make my own decision upon watching the debates and hearing the actual declared candidates positions. Yet when thread after thread focus entirely on attacking Clinton and advocating FOR nothing, I get pissed off.

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And the alternative is a republican who would make Hillary look like Mother Theresa NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #1
like Mother Teresa? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #2
Like a god damn saint who would not legalize discrimination NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #3
Oh no! Every other Democrat has been killed? jeff47 Apr 2015 #7
She did not handle the email non-issue well. I cringed throughout the entire speech. libdem4life Apr 2015 #4
agree about Monday morning quarterbacking guillaumeb Apr 2015 #5
Agreed. It forced her out defensively and it didn't need to...that was my point. I'm feeling libdem4life Apr 2015 #6
true. but why do progressives often have to settle guillaumeb Apr 2015 #8
My best hope for turning the tide our way is Julian Castro as VP. It won't happen overnight. libdem4life Apr 2015 #12
I must confess I did not recognize the name guillaumeb Apr 2015 #17
You'll quickly see why the right wingers hate him/them. libdem4life Apr 2015 #23
thank you. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #29
Mine as well. He would disintegrate Jeb's play for the Hispanic vote. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #33
That's why I posted his Mom's bio...they are the epitome of the American Dream, especially for libdem4life Apr 2015 #35
Agree. Thanks for bringing his name to the conversation. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #37
Thanks libdem4life Apr 2015 #40
Progressives "settle", Progressive Democrats vote for whoever earned the nomination. great white snark Apr 2015 #14
Yeah, look how the Tea Party has had no effect on Republicans. They do nothing but settle. jeff47 Apr 2015 #20
I am not disappointed in that sense guillaumeb Apr 2015 #22
And before the speech, she kept reviving the story. jeff47 Apr 2015 #9
That would have been the best of all options. It surely did provide cover for The Repub Letter. libdem4life Apr 2015 #13
What a bunch of nonsense. Do you agree with the article that Obama and Clinton are war criminals? tritsofme Apr 2015 #10
I did not write the article guillaumeb Apr 2015 #11
So your answer is yes? Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are war criminals? tritsofme Apr 2015 #15
only the Internationl Court at the Hague can answer that. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #21
Well as long as it was *within the law*, because that's all that matters during war time! villager Apr 2015 #24
So now you are equating President Obama and Hillary Clinton with Nazis? tritsofme Apr 2015 #26
not the Nazi comparison? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #27
I am saying there's a long standing tradition -- in America -- of "the law" not being an excuse villager Apr 2015 #30
How much influence did Hillary have in the disaster of joining a Civil War in LIbya? bvar22 Apr 2015 #16
great point guillaumeb Apr 2015 #18
Unrec. You Better Believe it! FSogol Apr 2015 #19
Socialist Worker? oberliner Apr 2015 #25
when one cannot argue the facts or alleegations guillaumeb Apr 2015 #28
Facts you don't have is the number of people which was not killed by the terrorists. Of course this Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #31
I am unsure of your meaning guillaumeb Apr 2015 #32
But..but..we're supposed to overlook those crimes as mere faux pas and support her Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #34
harsh guillaumeb Apr 2015 #36
Neoliberal foreign policy is brutal Oilwellian Apr 2015 #38
If you voted for Obama, you voted for that troop surge BainsBane Apr 2015 #39
HRC was the Secretary of State, correct? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #41
Those then are the two, and only two rational explanations you believe are possible? LanternWaste Apr 2015 #42
Offer more guillaumeb Apr 2015 #43
No, she wasn't forced into the position BainsBane Apr 2015 #44
my sincere congratulations on an excellent post guillaumeb Apr 2015 #45
Thanks, and I'm glad you are aware of some of BainsBane Apr 2015 #46
as to "the gendered ways in which Hillary Clinton is characterized" guillaumeb Apr 2015 #47
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