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True Blue Door

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25. There were innocent people killed by Allied bombs in WW2
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 07:12 AM
Apr 2015

who might not have been impressed by Gandhi's failure to oppose the war. Or they might have, because not everyone is self-involved enough to think the personal consequences for themselves define the absolute moral value of everything.

I'm not saying even the most obviously justified of wars is ever right - I know the difference between excusable and right. But citing a war against enemies that no one on planet Earth considers capable of reasoning with as evidence that someone is not committed to peace is unbelievably hypocritical.

Does someone have to be Amish before they deserve to be called a peacemaker? Or does that standard only apply to Barack Obama?

Here's the list of Nobel Peace Prize winners:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates

Obama already belongs among the more constructive and illustrious recipients. If this deal holds, he would deserve to move even farther up the hieararchy.

Most important to me: lovemydog Apr 2015 #1
We've come a long way from Dick Cheney's plan to start another war. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #2
We have indeed. lovemydog Apr 2015 #3
Allies? Abouttime Apr 2015 #24
Slow down. Let's ask them to stop chanting "Death to America" and trampling our flag every day. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #40
Waiting for some of those vociferous critics to weigh in... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #4
Their M.O. is to just ignore good news until it goes away True Blue Door Apr 2015 #5
They're like awful broken records, spewing their negativity on a loop, every chance they get... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #6
Literally just four days ago, Trevor Timm at the Guardian called Obama a warmonger. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #11
'On verra bien', as my French compatriots would say... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #13
I don't care for that reference toward other posters here. lovemydog Apr 2015 #8
Is it the 'eat crow' or the 'broken record' reference you don't like, lovemydog? Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #9
As long as we're sharing breakfast recipes....... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #29
Sorry, to whom do I have the honor of speaking? Did someone Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #31
I'm so sorry you find the corpses of babies amusing. n/t DeSwiss Apr 2015 #37
No, but thin-skinned umbrage on a discussion forum, yeah... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #38
If you valued civilian lives more than simply hating the United States (or Barack Obama personally?) True Blue Door Apr 2015 #41
"targets tend to be...." truebluegreen Apr 2015 #52
In other words, the solution to eliminationist terrorist groups is pacifism. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #59
Iranian Nuclear Deal Cements President Obama’s Legacy; Validates Nobel Peace Prize Cha Apr 2015 #7
I think it was already validated, but positivity is always good. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #14
I do, too.. although, the significance of this Deal with Iran cannot be overstated. Bibi and the 47 Cha Apr 2015 #17
And now the *really* hard part - keeping its opponents on either side from sabotaging it. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #20
Indeed! Well stated, TBD. Cha Apr 2015 #28
If the deal holds and Republicans don't screw it up, the price of oil will fall. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #10
And, don't forget the MIC and their fellow travelers... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #15
You are correct. We cannot allow this group to control foreign policy. It would mean perpetual war. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #22
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #32
oil prices stopspending Apr 2015 #54
If there is a war, or even talk of a supply interruption, the price will go up. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #55
So the Saudis are pumping their limited resource to bring down US prices on their limited resource.. marble falls Apr 2015 #58
Well hopefully if this goes through Iran will wake up to the fact that they dont need nukes at all cstanleytech Apr 2015 #12
Conservatives in both countries don't want peace. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #16
If it does hold then he deserves the prize. Vattel Apr 2015 #18
He doesn't deserve it for the gargantuan civil rights accomplishment True Blue Door Apr 2015 #21
His being elected president? That is a great civil rights accomplishment, but Vattel Apr 2015 #23
How do MLK Jr.'s accomplishments in 1964 fit that description? True Blue Door Apr 2015 #27
Good point. I guess I think MLK's accomplishments were so profound Vattel Apr 2015 #36
I see Obama's civil rights accomplishments as the strongest since King's in US history. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #42
True, but I don't think Obama's record on military policy is a very good one. Vattel Apr 2015 #48
Whose record on military policy do you consider better? True Blue Door Apr 2015 #49
Clinton's and Carter's for sure. Vattel Apr 2015 #60
I'm sorry, I just can't agree with that. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #61
wow, I couldn't disagree more. Vattel Apr 2015 #62
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #63
Sounds good. A really serious discussion would be hard to do here, Vattel Apr 2015 #64
There are innocent people ejbr Apr 2015 #19
There were innocent people killed by Allied bombs in WW2 True Blue Door Apr 2015 #25
Stand by what I typed n/t ejbr Apr 2015 #33
And I stand by the moral and historical context I provided for it. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #43
Interesting ejbr Apr 2015 #46
Apparently suffering is only real if we're the cause. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #50
^^^WORD^^^! Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author ejbr Apr 2015 #56
So spot on, True Blue... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #34
Deserve it? DeSwiss Apr 2015 #26
Then you just don't agree with the concept of the Nobel Peace Prize. True Blue Door Apr 2015 #30
Answer: No, we "faux"progressives (is it?) won't ... you lesser evilists believe he deserves it? libbyliberal Apr 2015 #35
Ever think that being angry when everyone else is happy and hopeful about something True Blue Door Apr 2015 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #47
I love Obama but I don't think he deserved it when he got it arely staircase Apr 2015 #44
The effect his election had on the world was worthy of the Nobel True Blue Door Apr 2015 #45
Agreed. randome Apr 2015 #57
Because that's the most important thing about this JHB Apr 2015 #53
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