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In reply to the discussion: Yanis Varoufakis: “Greece Will Adopt the Bitcoin If Eurogroup Doesn’t Give Us a Deal” [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,157 posts)106. Here, let Yanis Varoufakis solve it for everyone
Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of apolitical money
The Crash of 2008 has infused our societies with enormous scepticism on the role of the authorities, both government and Central Banks. It is quite natural that many dream of a currency that politicians, bankers and central bankers cannot manipulate; a currency of the people by the people for the people. Bitcoin has emerged as the great white hope of something of the sort. Alas, the hope it brings to many peoples hearts and minds is false. And the reason is simple: While it is true that local communities have, in the past, generated successful communitarian currencies (that enabled them to improve welfare in their midst, especially at a time of acute economic crises), there can be no de-politicised currency capable of powering an advanced, industrial society.
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In a sense, the designer of the bitcoin algorithm (the delectable Mr Nakamoto, who has, by the way, dropped off the radar some time ago) seems to have designed the new currency on the basis of faith in the crudest version of the monetarist Quantity Theory of Money (i.e. the idea that the value of money depended solely on the quantity of money supplied to the public) and, thus, aimed at creating the digital equivalent to gold. Come to think of it, bitcoin was, indeed, modelled on gold.
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As with all things digital, there are a number of concerns to do with security; with the fear of hackers and espivs. Imagine a world that has shifted entirely to bitcoin. Would we not live in fear that some ingenious hacker will get the better of Nakamotos algorithm and manipulate it to his benefit? Would it be wise for humanity simply to assume that the bitcoin algorithm is un-hackable (especially so in the absence of some authority that can intervene and save the day if something horrible happens to the algorithm)? Besides, even if the algorithm is safe, there is always the danger of waking up to the realisation that ones bitcoin stash was elooted during the night. And if one entrusts ones stash to some company with better firewalls and computer security, what happens (in the absence of a bitcoin Central Bank) if that company goes broke or simply disappears into the Internets darker crevices (with its customers bitcoins)?
These concerns would probably suffice to put a dent in bitcoins prospects. But they are not the main drawbacks of the currency. No, there are two insurmountable flaws that make bitcoin a highly problematic currency: First, the bitcoin social economy is bound to be typified by chronic deflation. Secondly, we have already seen the rise of a bitcoin aristocracy (a term coined by Greek blogger @techiechan) which, besides the issues of distributive justice which it raises, evokes serious fears about the capacity of very few entities or persons to manipulate the currency in a manner that enriches them at the expense of financial instability. Let us look at these two problems in some detail.
http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/
The Crash of 2008 has infused our societies with enormous scepticism on the role of the authorities, both government and Central Banks. It is quite natural that many dream of a currency that politicians, bankers and central bankers cannot manipulate; a currency of the people by the people for the people. Bitcoin has emerged as the great white hope of something of the sort. Alas, the hope it brings to many peoples hearts and minds is false. And the reason is simple: While it is true that local communities have, in the past, generated successful communitarian currencies (that enabled them to improve welfare in their midst, especially at a time of acute economic crises), there can be no de-politicised currency capable of powering an advanced, industrial society.
...
In a sense, the designer of the bitcoin algorithm (the delectable Mr Nakamoto, who has, by the way, dropped off the radar some time ago) seems to have designed the new currency on the basis of faith in the crudest version of the monetarist Quantity Theory of Money (i.e. the idea that the value of money depended solely on the quantity of money supplied to the public) and, thus, aimed at creating the digital equivalent to gold. Come to think of it, bitcoin was, indeed, modelled on gold.
...
As with all things digital, there are a number of concerns to do with security; with the fear of hackers and espivs. Imagine a world that has shifted entirely to bitcoin. Would we not live in fear that some ingenious hacker will get the better of Nakamotos algorithm and manipulate it to his benefit? Would it be wise for humanity simply to assume that the bitcoin algorithm is un-hackable (especially so in the absence of some authority that can intervene and save the day if something horrible happens to the algorithm)? Besides, even if the algorithm is safe, there is always the danger of waking up to the realisation that ones bitcoin stash was elooted during the night. And if one entrusts ones stash to some company with better firewalls and computer security, what happens (in the absence of a bitcoin Central Bank) if that company goes broke or simply disappears into the Internets darker crevices (with its customers bitcoins)?
These concerns would probably suffice to put a dent in bitcoins prospects. But they are not the main drawbacks of the currency. No, there are two insurmountable flaws that make bitcoin a highly problematic currency: First, the bitcoin social economy is bound to be typified by chronic deflation. Secondly, we have already seen the rise of a bitcoin aristocracy (a term coined by Greek blogger @techiechan) which, besides the issues of distributive justice which it raises, evokes serious fears about the capacity of very few entities or persons to manipulate the currency in a manner that enriches them at the expense of financial instability. Let us look at these two problems in some detail.
http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/
Of course it was an April Fools' joke. It's deeply disappointing that any DUer could have taken it seriously.
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Yanis Varoufakis: “Greece Will Adopt the Bitcoin If Eurogroup Doesn’t Give Us a Deal” [View all]
TampaAnimusVortex
Apr 2015
OP
It's April 1st they should just have announced they've adopted it already. nt
PoliticAverse
Apr 2015
#1
How about you stop making non-sense statements that require a sourced response?
Taitertots
Apr 2015
#66
And yet the electronics industry is booming in the face of deflation.
TampaAnimusVortex
Apr 2015
#84
The dollar isn't experiencing deflation and neither is the Yuan. The "electronics industry" isn't
Taitertots
Apr 2015
#104
Did you ever consider the falling prices could be for the goods/services you sell?
Taitertots
Apr 2015
#115
Cutting themselves loose from their banker overlords with Bitcoin is exactly what they need.
TampaAnimusVortex
Apr 2015
#23
Really? With a market cap of billions, do you really think your important?
TampaAnimusVortex
Apr 2015
#58
What went over my head was any concern for the suffering of the people of that country
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#57
Part of the 1% push to desperately sabotage any threat of peace negotiations anywhere, as well
villager
Apr 2015
#52
I'm having a hard time telling what's real and a bluff in these negotiations at this point. n/t
PoliticAverse
Apr 2015
#8
Links to: an article mentioning Varoufakis; Wikipedia on April Fools' Day;
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#107
He seems like a pretty good person to have in this position under the current circumstances.
NCTraveler
Apr 2015
#5
He is an EXCELLENT person for Greece right now. Bernie Sanders has stated that we need
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#18
Yes, it can. Spain and Ireland, Portugal among others are already showing signs
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#20
Greece has finally climbed up out of the embarrassing, disastrous situation its crooked
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#25
And those 'tax cheats' made off with their ill gotten gains to offshore accounts. Time to bring
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#30
Cash has value outside of the economic activity that it represents because of its liquidity.
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2015
#70
In theory, it's a nice idea, but they'd be better off bringing back the drachma.
closeupready
Apr 2015
#35
Bitcoin would be unhelpful to Greece because it is too similar to the Euro
phantom power
Apr 2015
#36
Can you answer the question asked? Cartoons are not a productive or substantive
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#48
We know a lot about the failure modes of deflationary currencies like precious metals or bitcoins
phantom power
Apr 2015
#49
Bringing back the drachma would make sense, not switching to bitcoin (this is an April Fools' joke)
Chathamization
Apr 2015
#61
Yes one of the big advantages of controlling your own currency is you can do an 'inflation tax'
PoliticAverse
Apr 2015
#51
I'll ask again, are you trying to drum up interest or support for bitcoin or not?
CreekDog
Apr 2015
#100
As long as this isn't accurate: "Bitcoin revealed: a Ponzi scheme for redistributing wealth"
Agnosticsherbet
Apr 2015
#101
You did read the bit at the end explicitly saying it was an April Fools' joke, didn't you ? (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#110