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SheilaT

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31. The VP slot is almost meaningless in getting people to vote

Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:19 PM

Apr 2015

for the ticket.

I was very unhappy in 2000 with Al Gore's selection of Joe Lieberman. Very, very unhappy. It was still not quite enough to make me not vote for him. And it's impossible to imagine a VP selection on either side that would move significant numbers of voters to cross party lines.

Joe Biden has been a terrific VP, but it makes no sense of any kind for him to do it again.

I also don't get this nonsense that Elizabeth Warren should stay in the Senate because she can do so much more good there. Really? More good than she could do as President? But more to the point, I have NEVER before heard this reasoning. No one ever suggested John Kennedy should remain a Senator, or John McCain, or Barack Obama, or, well you get the idea. I could continue the list by naming lots and lots of other Senators who've run for President with varying degrees of success, and Elizabeth Warren is the only one people think shouldn't be looking at a little upward mobility.

Why is that?

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Hillary's VP pick will decide the election. The only person that I believe she can [View all] CK_John Apr 2015 OP

Not. gonna. happen. MADem Apr 2015 #1

your right... Historic NY Apr 2015 #4

Who is Hispanic. merrily Apr 2015 #63

I want to see a woman and a Hispanic in the white house before I die madokie Apr 2015 #85

me, too, but not Hillary. merrily Apr 2015 #149

^^^ This^^^ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #34

Clinton/Castro in 2016. The wingnutters will go wild! Images will be: freshwest Apr 2015 #70

Ha ha....it gets to the point where they throw stuff at her and it reeks of desperation! MADem Apr 2015 #95

She'll definitely need a STRONG VP.....so, Stellar Apr 2015 #114

Mayor Julián Castro of San Antonio delivered the keynote speech at the 2012 DNC freshwest Apr 2015 #124

Thanks for sharing! Stellar Apr 2015 #138

Hillary will probably pick a red state dem. Maybe a governor like KY's or CO. craigmatic Apr 2015 #94

Hickenlooper would be a stellar choice EL34x4 Apr 2015 #98

But I'm kinda liking the way that rings. EL34x4 Apr 2015 #100

I don't think Biden would want it. Hmmm, maybe Sarah Palin? still_one Apr 2015 #2

Just as long as it's not Warren tracks29 Apr 2015 #3

Warren needs to be promoted to the Treasury and on to the Supreme Court when the moment arrives. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #15

I hope 10 more aggressive women like Warren Backwoodsrider Apr 2015 #60

I sincerely doubt that Hillary will appoint Warren or Sanders to anything that powerful. djean111 Apr 2015 #74

Ya know, we seem to be viewing the world Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #104

Bingo. SheilaT Apr 2015 #140

Warren is a little old for the court AndreaCG Apr 2015 #144

Oh, hey, I think the talk of appointing Warren to SCOTUS is hot air meant to divert and pacify, I djean111 Apr 2015 #156

Warren can make that decision for herself, but Hillary would not choose her anyway. merrily Apr 2015 #64

Why would Joe Biden want to serve another term as VP? .. Under Hillary? YOHABLO Apr 2015 #5

I like O'Malley. femmocrat Apr 2015 #6

Good to see this. elleng Apr 2015 #11

Good choice. n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #13

I don't see O'Malley helping the ticket tkmorris Apr 2015 #67

Not sure we should take a Dem governor out of circulation though. calimary Apr 2015 #162

Who'd she pick last time? AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #7

I don't think candidates pick anyone until they get they win the primary. ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2015 #45

thanks AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #152

I am thinking one of the Castro brothers buy if O'Malley shows well maybe him. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #8

No reason to believe your premise. VP pick generally has little impact. (Sarah Palin excepted) HERVEPA Apr 2015 #9

LBJ pulled JFK over the line, make no mistake. MADem Apr 2015 #96

Nope. Dems are not winning Texas. And if they for some reason did, then the election wasn't close. HERVEPA Apr 2015 #99

If they can force the GOP to have to spend money to win TX, that's a good thing. MADem Apr 2015 #102

You may not be familiar with TX government structure. former9thward Apr 2015 #133

I am quite familiar w/TX form of government--and it's not a "weak governor" system anymore. MADem Apr 2015 #147

You better believe they did! calimary Apr 2015 #166

Julian Castro would dessimate the GOP's chance in 2016 & also provide some very long coattails. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #10

Totally agree. Julian is her man. DCBob Apr 2015 #27

Agree. Clinton-Castro 2016, or O'Malley-Castro 2016 + 4 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #41

I'm with the Julian Castro group...young, squeaky clean Hispanic and in-training for libdem4life Apr 2015 #12

How about a different presidential nominee instead? n/t BlueStater Apr 2015 #14

Yes southerncrone Apr 2015 #48

oh bull. silliness. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #16

As are all his predictions. n/t tammywammy Apr 2015 #17

;) . there certainly is a consistency with this poster, for sure. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #18

yup HERVEPA Apr 2015 #32

+1 n/t SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #19

Elizabeth Warren justiceischeap Apr 2015 #20

No! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #36

That would just waste her. It wouldn't bring in indies or pukes. Leave her where she is, voting. Shrike47 Apr 2015 #52

I agree she should stay in the Senate justiceischeap Apr 2015 #73

I like Castro, but DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #21

Too much baggage. CK_John Apr 2015 #22

Baggage? OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #91

The only thing that comes to mind is that he was late paying taxes a couple of times. MADem Apr 2015 #101

He's Hispanic? MADem Apr 2015 #97

no to Joe, yes to Elizabeth Warren beachbum bob Apr 2015 #23

Sen from NY and a Sen from neighbor state of MA on the same ticket is too much to sell. CK_John Apr 2015 #24

It didn't get in the way of a fellow from Arkansas and a fellow from Tennessee. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #33

No to Warren. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #37

Hillary would NEVER pick Elizabeth for VP slot, as Hillary knows Elizabeth would overshadow her. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #78

Gen. Wesley Clark thelordofhell Apr 2015 #25

Dems have ignored him for years. elleng Apr 2015 #29

I like what I've seen of Wesley Clark. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #44

He would have been the best president. elleng Apr 2015 #54

Indeed, he seems highly qualified & intelligent & good for a high level cabinet position at least. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #58

Yes, Sec. Def, National Security, Sec. State. elleng Apr 2015 #59

i like miley AngryAmish Apr 2015 #81

Go try to insult somebody else and get a life. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #110

You do know he recently split from his highly regarded spouse of forty plus years? MADem Apr 2015 #155

Unfortunate, seems to happen to many later in life. That plus his age might eliminate appalachiablue Apr 2015 #158

Very unfortunate, especially given the enormous age disparity. MADem Apr 2015 #159

I checked out your link, seems very pathetic esp. since he was regarded as respectable, not a appalachiablue Apr 2015 #161

I have met both of them, back when he was on active duty. MADem Apr 2015 #165

I can def see Maher entering a stable arrangement or marriage. Lately he's referred to 'looking at appalachiablue Apr 2015 #167

I don't think McCain made any deal with Carol. He signed over his retirement to her MADem Apr 2015 #168

Some of that about McCain's wife I recall now, yes their split was amicable. During the 2008 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #169

Love this place-you learn something new every day! MADem Apr 2015 #170

The Wiki on Joe McCain, 6 yrs. younger than Johnny has more info. incl. the wild comment appalachiablue Apr 2015 #171

This is like reading Miss Cleo on the psychic friends network. bravenak Apr 2015 #26

Oh great Scootaloo Apr 2015 #42

Glad I could help! bravenak Apr 2015 #51

I got banned from the HRC group for saying the same. tridim Apr 2015 #79

Thanks. I'll stay out of there with my snark. bravenak Apr 2015 #112

If Hillary is on the ticket we lose ....even she wins....... bowens43 Apr 2015 #28

The only good VP choice is Walter Mondale Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #30

He's "eighty seven years young!" nt MADem Apr 2015 #160

The VP slot is almost meaningless in getting people to vote SheilaT Apr 2015 #31

People are just trying to be kind. CK_John Apr 2015 #35

Kind? What do you mean? SheilaT Apr 2015 #39

Warren in the Senate qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #132

Well I think she should be running for President SheilaT Apr 2015 #139

Oh boy would that be an exciting, forward-facing ticket Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #38

"Change" is the last thing the voters what to hear in this election cycle. CK_John Apr 2015 #46

I don't know where these political conclusions of yours come from BainsBane Apr 2015 #55

Don't worry about that. We're just playing. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #71

really? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #68

The horse can't even see the cart, it's so far ahead of him n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #40

one of the Castro brothers.... chillfactor Apr 2015 #43

if its Hillary she needs to add Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2015 #47

Wasn't there some kerfuffle between him and the Clintons? merrily Apr 2015 #65

yes. he endorsed Obama in 2008. Bygones Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2015 #145

telling merrily Apr 2015 #150

Wesley Clark... Sancho Apr 2015 #49

Won't happen. He doesn't have much political support. elleng Apr 2015 #61

Clark has a lot less recognition and support than some VP candidates? Sancho Apr 2015 #75

Each of those you mentioned held significant political positions elleng Apr 2015 #89

FYI, His position on Ukraine: elleng Apr 2015 #92

He's ready for Hillary, but he dumped Gertrude for a thirty year old who wasn't even born MADem Apr 2015 #154

Terry McAuliffe Politicalboi Apr 2015 #50

Why not Gavin Newsom, 47, Lt. Gov. of CA, former mayor of San Francisco? pnwmom Apr 2015 #53

Gavin is telegenic, but he's still Junior League. Let him continue on his own path. NBachers Apr 2015 #56

The subject of the OP is who would be a good VP choice. You said you can see him as VP. pnwmom Apr 2015 #57

But he's from (gasp!) San Francisco Retrograde Apr 2015 #120

Lived in NoCal for many years...he lacks charisma. He might make Governor libdem4life Apr 2015 #143

Bill Clinton. Kip Humphrey Apr 2015 #62

He cannot serve if she becomes unable to. merrily Apr 2015 #66

You sure about that? MADem Apr 2015 #172

Yes, I am as sure as one can realistically be. merrily Apr 2015 #173

I don't think your POV would prevail.The "actual goal" of my reply was to challenge your assertion. MADem Apr 2015 #174

My analysis was based on language history and the merrily Apr 2015 #175

Mine was grounded in the comments of (cited) constitutional lawyers. I think they're right, and MADem Apr 2015 #177

As your post said, Constitutional scholars differ. Again, you are entitled to your OPINION. merrily Apr 2015 #178

Yep, I sure am entitled to my OPINION, and my "OPINION" (!!!!) looks pretty solid. nt MADem Apr 2015 #179

There are plenty of qualified choices that will not hurt her DrDan Apr 2015 #69

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #72

Old and Older BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #76

White and Whiter. n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #90

VP picks don't decide elections. yellowcanine Apr 2015 #77

... AngryAmish Apr 2015 #80

Is this Onionesque satire? LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #82

Personally... 99Forever Apr 2015 #83

Gee, thanks. CK_John Apr 2015 #86

Please ignore him... Attacking other DUERS without cause seems to be his raison d'etre. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #103

Oh really? 99Forever Apr 2015 #105

The guy made a fairly innocuous observation...He's one of DU's most inoffensive posters... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #106

Yeah, sure. That's what happened. 99Forever Apr 2015 #108

I would have said anything to rescue CK_John from his sorrow and despair. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #109

"...to rescue CK_John from his sorrow and despair." 99Forever Apr 2015 #121

Amy Klobuchar Generic Brad Apr 2015 #84

I think that would be a very strong pick Yupster Apr 2015 #117

You haven't noticed the polls for Joe Biden have you? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #87

Not very likely./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #88

When has any VP choice decided an election? Motown_Johnny Apr 2015 #93

Maybe Lyndon Johnson Yupster Apr 2015 #116

Gary Locke. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #107

Bill de Blasio maybe? kydo Apr 2015 #111

Same state problem with electoral college. CK_John Apr 2015 #141

Her VP pick will not help or hurt her. She'll win no matter who she picks. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2015 #113

Did you notice who gave the rec? pinboy3niner Apr 2015 #115

Thank you, my friend. Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #122

Welcome to DU Joe. I am having a barbeque next weekend, would you grace us by joining us? uppityperson Apr 2015 #123

I eat everything. Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #126

You were my man in '88 pinboy3niner Apr 2015 #176

My pick is Julian Castro - TBF Apr 2015 #118

I'm sure he's the twin that will accede, but he's too young and needs time in DC libdem4life Apr 2015 #125

Kennedy was 43 & Julian is only a few years younger at 40 TBF Apr 2015 #134

He also looks younger than he is and he lacks the all-important circuit in DC. libdem4life Apr 2015 #142

I really wish that there was someone else to run for President. GoneOffShore Apr 2015 #119

Pollsters tend to agree that the VP pick doesn't do much as far as gaining votes in the election davidn3600 Apr 2015 #127

Hey, knock that off. Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #128

You really Joe Biden? icymist Apr 2015 #129

I hope so. Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #131

So whatcha doin' Joe, hanging out on DU? uppityperson Apr 2015 #136

Well, I WAS getting ready to watch my VCR Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #146

I like this for some reason. bravenak Apr 2015 #137

Right on! Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #148

You did good!!! bravenak Apr 2015 #153

All of his posts are a BFD! pinboy3niner Apr 2015 #163

I'm loving it too much. bravenak Apr 2015 #164

No, it has to be someone young. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #130

How about rjsquirrel Apr 2015 #135

I'll bet money it will be Ed Rendell KellyW Apr 2015 #151

I believe MFM008 Apr 2015 #157

people like to think the veep selection influences the presidential election, but it really doesn't unblock Apr 2015 #180

"Pretty fucking dicey:" "Let's just say there was a little misunderstanding. Somebody didn't get villager Apr 2015 #181