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kcjohn1

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95. empathy / sympathy for victims

Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:01 PM

Apr 2015

this is given, and not what is up for discussion.

my original comment was about how people here could not have any empathy for this individual. the first two comments are "my heart is breaking" or "my wind is breaking".

for whatever you think of this individual, he is a fellow human being who is going to lose huge chunk of his life. empathy does not cost any money. you can have it for everyone, and if everyone started putting themselves in other peoples shoes we would all be better off for it, including this individual as he might not have committed these crimes.

serial rapists should be in jail to rot, not because we are being punitive, but rather for public safety. am just not big believer of setting sentencing based on getting even but rather for public safety reasons. the current system is very harsh and does not improve public safety.

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revenge porn site operator cries at his sentencing [View all] Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 OP

My heart is breaking for him. In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #1

My wind is breaking at him. Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #4

I'll eat a few hard boiled eggs washed down with beer and join you. In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #6

May I suggest adding some cruciferous veggies for that extra "pop" LiberalElite Apr 2015 #18

broccoli is a hammer. You can toot Suwannee River with that. Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #51

We don't want to overlook asparagus, brussels sprouts, or cabbage. In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #77

But one has to consider the danger of a breach burst. Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #84

BTW, the full-on Level 4 Biohazard recipe I got from my brother hatrack Apr 2015 #298

I love cabbage. Aerows Apr 2015 #85

14X? Wimpy. But cabbage is good. I liken it to... Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #89

My favorite Veggies are yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #90

My favorite addiction Demeter Apr 2015 #93

I love both Aerows Apr 2015 #102

I haven't mastered that, either Demeter Apr 2015 #103

Maybe I can find a how to video for you yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #122

I will have to keep the batter cold, it seems Demeter Apr 2015 #148

Do you keep an ice cube in the batter? kristopher Apr 2015 #135

I once read somewhere that using soda water hifiguy Apr 2015 #138

OMG!!!! Aerows Apr 2015 #98

I love being close to Japanese cooking.. yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #126

Ok decided to make tempura tonight. Have to morn his sentencing. Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #204

I'm a corned beef and cabbage fan. Ever fart so hard yer back cracks? Saves on chiropractor brewens Apr 2015 #133

Well, I do like Aerows Apr 2015 #183

oh my!! 2naSalit Apr 2015 #281

bottomfeeder as well as all those that participated with him. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #2

Poor guy didn't realize that extortion is illegal LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #3

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #163

Jesus wept. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #5

Fuck him. Lochloosa Apr 2015 #7

This guy is a scumbag but... EL34x4 Apr 2015 #8

Agreed alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #9

He ruined thousands of lives. not just a few Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #12

if someone assaulted thousands of individuals would 18 years be too much? KittyWampus Apr 2015 #14

If someone is a violent predator... EL34x4 Apr 2015 #29

he was making an awful lot of money destroying womens lives. priority, right dude? seabeyond Apr 2015 #31

So hit him wear hit hurts. EL34x4 Apr 2015 #41

Prison for 18 years is a good place to start REP Apr 2015 #42

yeah mercuryblues Apr 2015 #45

i choose, lose his freedom. as he took it away from all those women. seabeyond Apr 2015 #49

^^That. Orrex Apr 2015 #100

Brilliant. The Green Manalishi Apr 2015 #290

What is the motivation to write checks to people for the rest of his life? He'd be better off not MillennialDem Apr 2015 #92

He is dangerous gollygee Apr 2015 #166

why not do both? Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #190

For profit prisons prefer nonviolent offenders. LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #81

Oooh, probation, that'll stop the next guy. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #208

he extorted people. eighteen is too few. the only thing missing was a gun in his hand roguevalley Apr 2015 #71

Well, I don't think most armed robbers should get 18 years either, for what it's worth alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #127

If they committed armed robbery thousands of times gollygee Apr 2015 #167

he published THOUSANDS of photos. That's a lot of individuals who each deserve justice. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #10

Agreed. nt cwydro Apr 2015 #22

365 days a year, so 3 years is just over 1k days. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #211

Extortionists need to do alot of time. bravenak Apr 2015 #11

^This ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #36

Not to mention that once those pics have been posted, there is no way to ever make sure they are tblue37 Apr 2015 #101

They might show up in background checks for work. bravenak Apr 2015 #108

a lifetime for the victims, but tears for 18 yrs of this mans life. the one who caused it. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #114

Fuck his tears. I drink his tears with delight and piss them out. bravenak Apr 2015 #117

yup. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #150

Spot On! eom LittleGirl Apr 2015 #157

+10 million!!!! Nt riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #178

Right you are. He haz a sad? Only for himself, and not the women he destroyed. nt Hekate Apr 2015 #218

LOL mercuryblues Apr 2015 #219

Yup. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #250

Agreed! Boofuckinghoo! Needs to be locked up because he's missing essentials. Empathy and Ethics. freshwest Apr 2015 #258

That was my first thought as well. Jamastiene Apr 2015 #317

yep you nailed it nt steve2470 Apr 2015 #149

He's not going to be posting any more naked pictures. alphafemale Apr 2015 #13

Maybe it's the extortion angle of the crime lunatica Apr 2015 #15

That's exactly it. hifiguy Apr 2015 #23

Extortion is bad dolphinsandtuna Apr 2015 #251

Given the reality of today's sentencing he will probably be out in 18 Months. It's not like he did Vincardog Apr 2015 #16

Maybe you should join him pintobean Apr 2015 #17

So lets work for longer sentences for rape and murder REP Apr 2015 #19

Exactly. cwydro Apr 2015 #25

that would be the obvious, right? ty. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #27

Stop making sense! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #39

Forty years ago, many anti-rape activists pushed for shorter sentences than Life... Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #57

not draconian mercuryblues Apr 2015 #26

but... that would only be a womans life affected, this is a man's life being affected. seabeyond Apr 2015 #28

No shit mercuryblues Apr 2015 #40

Bingo! Jamastiene Apr 2015 #318

Everyone who thinks this sentence is harsh should read THIS POST^^^ beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #152

I think it swayed me. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2015 #266

I think our first reaction is that 18 yrs is too long for simply posting nude pics beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #284

he "earned" $30k total, not $30k a month thesquanderer Apr 2015 #158

I understood differently mercuryblues Apr 2015 #184

+1,000,000 nt Tree-Hugger Apr 2015 #188

Deterrence value rjsquirrel Apr 2015 #30

How about the women whose lives HE fucked up? Warpy Apr 2015 #46

You just KNOW he thinks all his problems (including the prison term) are women's fault. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #106

He didn't care about his victims at all even when presented evidence of their suffering... stevenleser Apr 2015 #154

On review, the sentence is a little harsh. Maybe dial it back 8 yes. Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #52

why? harsh is the life the women will live. this is justice for thousands of people roguevalley Apr 2015 #74

Maybe so. I'm not going to die on the hill of his sentence... Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #80

More pro prison rape crap. Very useful. HERVEPA Apr 2015 #137

Actually, I was thinking living with himself. What were you thinking? Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #301

I said what I was thinking. Sorry if I misunderstood. HERVEPA Apr 2015 #303

some details about his despicable actions Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #130

"Bollaert prompted users to also share...including name, age and address" beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #153

I do wish there was a way to publish the names of the cads who sent this stuff in to him.... Hekate Apr 2015 #282

+1. you are so right on. but... bottomfeeders, not cads. otherwise, i totally agree with post. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #293

Limited space in subject line... Hekate Apr 2015 #295

it is a good solution to warn future women considering getting into relationships with the asses. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #296

where is that anonymous group when we need them Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #312

Well, this is just a "women's issue" as you can tell from the handful of apologists in this thread Hekate Apr 2015 #313

He's a stinker. He will be smelling a lot of himself, now. Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #302

He needs to suffer TNNurse Apr 2015 #54

Given the number of victims? It's on the low end. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #73

i have to agree with you. barbtries Apr 2015 #82

True, he may not be holding the razor at their Ilsa Apr 2015 #107

thank you Ilsa. barbtries Apr 2015 #172

See post 26 for a small tally of the harm he caused, up to and including suicide. Hekate Apr 2015 #109

thank you barbtries Apr 2015 #171

I am also mercuryblues Apr 2015 #221

4 yrs is nothing. it is insulting, and i agree, a whole other blow to you. i am sorry seabeyond Apr 2015 #223

Why did your daughter's killer get only 4 years? That sounds like the travesty pnwmom Apr 2015 #253

it was a travesty. barbtries Apr 2015 #255

I am so very sorry, barbtries. pnwmom Apr 2015 #256

thank you pnwmom barbtries Apr 2015 #263

Extortion and blackmail. My heart just bleeds for the bastard. Hekate Apr 2015 #88

He'll be out sooner with 840high Apr 2015 #97

Welcome to DU, EL34x4! calimary Apr 2015 #124

Really? You can't see it? So what standard does one have to reach in your opinion Rex Apr 2015 #142

How much time do you think someone should get for extortion? PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #143

A little time per victim times a lot of victims = a lot of time gollygee Apr 2015 #160

It's six days per victim. jeff47 Apr 2015 #175

Send me some pics and I'll explain it to you. Lochloosa Apr 2015 #191

No thanks EL34x4 Apr 2015 #195

And if they were your wife's or daughter's? geek tragedy Apr 2015 #210

Of course, I'd be pissed. EL34x4 Apr 2015 #216

Not just pictures, personal info including names and addresses. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #217

You just don't get it. This was not about the money Lochloosa Apr 2015 #224

Did he really ruin careers? EL34x4 Apr 2015 #233

it was not just 1000 nude photos published without permission. JimDandy Apr 2015 #248

"Rapists and murderers don't serve that much time?" Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #193

Rapists and murderers don't have thousands of victims. pnwmom Apr 2015 #252

Agree. A guy I grew up with was murdered by his father in law. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2015 #265

Disappointed in lack of empathy kcjohn1 Apr 2015 #20

He didn't show empathy to the thousands who begged him in emails not to publish Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #21

That is why he is going to prison kcjohn1 Apr 2015 #44

understood Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #132

ckjohn? really? ya. whatever. action/reaction. repercussions with choice made. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #24

I agree kcjohn1 Apr 2015 #47

The 18 years reflects statements by him where he clearly enjoyed the suffering of his victims as stevenleser Apr 2015 #182

oh that poor mercuryblues Apr 2015 #189

WTF mercuryblues Apr 2015 #32

I guess this where we disagree kcjohn1 Apr 2015 #53

you say you do not mean to diminish the pain of victim, as you continue to do just that. seabeyond Apr 2015 #59

please tell me how i did that? kcjohn1 Apr 2015 #65

You show no empathy toward his victims and only talk about poor old him. Rex Apr 2015 #147

whether mercuryblues Apr 2015 #76

Do we quantify suffering and damage to his victims? ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #78

It's a shame you don't have any empathy for his victims. Rex Apr 2015 #145

nah I am not agreeing to disagree. mercuryblues Apr 2015 #197

You're trying to be reasonable here and that's your problem sammythecat Apr 2015 #272

Oh you're right rjsquirrel Apr 2015 #33

He wasn't sentenced to death. He destroyed lives, while claiming his was destroyed worse. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #34

Empathy for the victims? REP Apr 2015 #35

Empathy definition kcjohn1 Apr 2015 #63

empathy. i would be sad, that he chose to create this outcome. that does not mean seabeyond Apr 2015 #68

And still no empathy for his victims. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #72

empathy / sympathy for victims kcjohn1 Apr 2015 #95

Do you have empathy for every criminal who loses a "huge chunk of his life"? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #99

Yes, I do kcjohn1 Apr 2015 #112

So you don't believe that the enormous number of victims should be considered? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #119

what we are debating is the 18 years kcjohn1 Apr 2015 #129

Dude, YOU are the one who brought up rape. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #136

the scale of the crime fit the sentence. empathy works for victims too and you don't seem roguevalley Apr 2015 #75

A rape victim lives with it forever. REP Apr 2015 #134

I can't say here what'd I'd have done to him. alphafemale Apr 2015 #48

Yeah, look at all the posts calling for torturing and murdering the little shit. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #50

Lack of empathy? He destroyed lives. Hekate Apr 2015 #113

Exactly. Those photo will still be around in 30/40 years. SwissTony Apr 2015 #273

some child says.... oh, gonna google moms name. well lookie. it isnt right. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #276

I can also imagine a high school teacher who dumped a boyfriend who had talked her into photos... Hekate Apr 2015 #314

He published their personal info, placing them in danger suffragette Apr 2015 #115

So where is your empathy for the untold number of victims!? Rex Apr 2015 #144

Little bit of time per victim times a lot of victims = a lot of time gollygee Apr 2015 #161

Fuck this POS trumad Apr 2015 #164

Yeah, seriously. Fuck this guy. Frank Cannon Apr 2015 #186

I think he's well and truly fucked already. Orsino Apr 2015 #308

I see what you did there.... trumad Apr 2015 #309

Well, I tend to agree... Orsino Apr 2015 #310

It's six days per victim. jeff47 Apr 2015 #176

It says thousands plural gollygee Apr 2015 #227

And I've come across "over 10,000" jeff47 Apr 2015 #262

You poor dear soul. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #300

I have to ask where these newbie posters come from Demeter Apr 2015 #37

DI? they follow us pretty close. lots of empathy for the misogynist pigs. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #55

What or who is DI? Demeter Apr 2015 #58

the crazy uncle of DU, another board connected to du. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #61

Got it. I NEVER go there. Demeter Apr 2015 #66

Mercy says nothing about the person to whom it is given Half-Century Man Apr 2015 #67

You are recommending a mercy killing? Demeter Apr 2015 #105

Not a mercy killing Half-Century Man Apr 2015 #118

So Sad RecoveringJournalist Apr 2015 #38

Heh ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #43

Perhaps at some point during those 18 years Aerows Apr 2015 #56

There's a reason we're the world's leading jailer. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #60

This guy was a Hit Man Demeter Apr 2015 #64

You nailed it Demeter - it was his lack of remorse regarding his victims, which is where Hestia Apr 2015 #128

Pick one of the disorders characterized by lack of empathy. He seems to have one of them... stevenleser Apr 2015 #156

No, this is not the reason we're the world's leading jailer mountain grammy Apr 2015 #86

We are the world's leading jailer because we love to punish. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #94

Yes, a lot of our sentencing policies are insane mountain grammy Apr 2015 #104

you do the math mercuryblues Apr 2015 #125

i am amazed at those that think punishment too hard. ok. not really amazed, or even surprised. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #62

wow popular thread IHateTheGOP Apr 2015 #69

My father... haikugal Apr 2015 #70

Yes, he's only sorry for himself. SwissTony Apr 2015 #274

He did a great evil and I hate meanies (even some posting here) laserhaas Apr 2015 #79

I'm surprised he's still alive TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #83

This might be silly but I bet he's a Republican./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #87

What he did was wrong Politicalboi Apr 2015 #91

Because they didn't extort money from the victime as he did. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #116

The uploading was not what caused him to be convicted though it may have cstanleytech Apr 2015 #159

Because the jilted lovers did not commit a crime. jeff47 Apr 2015 #174

K&R to the max! nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #96

He only netted $30,000 from his extortion. kwassa Apr 2015 #110

A scumbag to the level of the southern slaveowners and other members of the white male misogynistic power structure AZ Progressive Apr 2015 #111

Not a tough guy now, huh? Helen Borg Apr 2015 #120

Justice is served. 99Forever Apr 2015 #121

The other tragic thing... Helen Borg Apr 2015 #123

His violation: USC 16.574 ¶47.a Scumbag Impersonating a Human Stinky The Clown Apr 2015 #131

. Rex Apr 2015 #139

next up for sentencing Hunter Moore, creator of revenge porn Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #140

Hunter Moore is a vile piece of shit, and I hope he ends up doing the same kind bullwinkle428 Apr 2015 #242

Words can never fully express... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #141

technically free speech though PatrynXX Apr 2015 #146

Maybe the other assholes-in-kind on the internet will take notice steve2470 Apr 2015 #151

Not so cocky now eh? Egnever Apr 2015 #155

Sense of entitlement . . . gone! gollygee Apr 2015 #162

Wow, with women as the victims, and a white man as the perp gollygee Apr 2015 #165

And he'll be walking out in less than 10. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #168

Hopefully other people see what happened to him gollygee Apr 2015 #169

Maybe tkmorris Apr 2015 #279

Yeah, I don't wish physical harm on the little puke either but beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #285

Exactly. Zenlitened Apr 2015 #203

Let's imagine . . . gollygee Apr 2015 #226

Hell, they'd want to put all of us in jail. Zenlitened Apr 2015 #231

He only wanted to make a quick buck ... at others' expense. lpbk2713 Apr 2015 #170

Call the WAAAAHmbulance! WinkyDink Apr 2015 #173

I realize it falls on deaf ears at DU DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #177

Amazing how much empathy and boo-hoo'ing pops up.... Paladin Apr 2015 #179

It has nothing to do with empathy DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #180

says a defense lawyer, that would ask for community work cause really the client has a good heart? seabeyond Apr 2015 #220

Yeah, because nothing says justice so much as letting this scumbag do community work KitSileya Apr 2015 #254

The deaf ears are yours. Over many years, this guy cared nothing for those who he hurt. stevenleser Apr 2015 #181

Paying to warehouse people for decades DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #185

So you think rapists and murderers should only geek tragedy Apr 2015 #207

You have nothing but emotion and intuition to back you up. DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #213

So if the sentence for murder were 90 days in jail geek tragedy Apr 2015 #214

If child molesting became legal would you start molesting children? DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #222

Very many people who obey the law do so because geek tragedy Apr 2015 #234

The solution to crime is simple then. Life in prison for all crimes DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #237

Proportionality is the rule of course. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #239

No, you are assuming and aren't listening. stevenleser Apr 2015 #269

Send me a few pics and I'll explain it to you. Lochloosa Apr 2015 #194

"much less some internet scam artist." NuclearDem Apr 2015 #196

I know he didn't kill anybody DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #199

You are by far the most self-righteous person geek tragedy Apr 2015 #206

Then in that case he shouldn't do the fuckin' crime... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #198

yawn trumad Apr 2015 #200

I wasn't expecting abstract thought from the mob DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #201

Double Yawn trumad Apr 2015 #202

Man, do you ever ride a high horse. Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #209

Removing this swine improves society geek tragedy Apr 2015 #205

If the purpose of our prisons is to "remove swine" DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #215

That's an emotional response. flvegan Apr 2015 #247

Justice is the last thing on the mind of those seeking revenge. Octafish Apr 2015 #261

Bullshit Cal Carpenter Apr 2015 #267

Well said! bettyellen Apr 2015 #277

Spot on, Cal Carpenter. Hekate Apr 2015 #283

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2015 #288

Whole post is gold but this bit Number23 Apr 2015 #291

+1 nt Zorra Apr 2015 #292

+10^10^100 nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #304

I think the "fuck that scumbag" argument is appropriate in this case. Throd Apr 2015 #280

As a criminal defense attorney, I've already expressed that I think he got msanthrope Apr 2015 #299

Yes. Several thousand counts of extortion, etc? stevenleser Apr 2015 #305

He's the type of sociopath who needs prison to keep him from doing harm to msanthrope Apr 2015 #307

Good. I hope he feels some pain. He's ruined many peoples' lives riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #187

Extortion does not pay malaise Apr 2015 #192

Way too long a sentence. Eric J in MN Apr 2015 #212

How about the psychological violence? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #230

Unless of course, one is rational enough to distinguish between the the singular and the collective LanternWaste Apr 2015 #306

They need to be tough on cyber crime marlakay Apr 2015 #225

18 years for a non-violent crime? davidn3600 Apr 2015 #228

18 years for thousands of crimes gollygee Apr 2015 #229

and dismissing the crime to women, no surprise. consistent as always. seabeyond Apr 2015 #232

Rapists and child abusers get less than half what this stupid kid got davidn3600 Apr 2015 #235

"Are you saying what he did was worse?" highly offensive bullshit question. again. no surprise. seabeyond Apr 2015 #236

I've never argued such a thing and Im not going to sit here and argue with you about it davidn3600 Apr 2015 #241

He's not a stupid kid. He's a remorseless predator geek tragedy Apr 2015 #240

People who rape thousands of people or abuse thousands of children? gollygee Apr 2015 #243

In general terms, I might agree with you. randome Apr 2015 #259

Well... eridani Apr 2015 #238

I would love to do a comparison gollygee Apr 2015 #244

point! nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #268

And what about customerserviceguy Apr 2015 #245

yes! n/t Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #246

On what grounds, legally? Orrex Apr 2015 #257

Conspiracy to extortion, perhaps? customerserviceguy Apr 2015 #294

That's not a bad idea. Orrex Apr 2015 #297

asshole diane in sf Apr 2015 #249

Boo fucking hoo, creep. catbyte Apr 2015 #260

No one could have anticipated that a misogynistic extortion racket would end badly. nt eppur_se_muova Apr 2015 #264

Fuck this disgusting piece of shit. JTFrog Apr 2015 #270

18 years is probably too much. I could see 5 or 10 but 18 years for a non-violence offense? craigmatic Apr 2015 #271

Not ONE offense--he extorted 1000s of women--18 years is appropriate JimDandy Apr 2015 #278

I wonder if he'll have internet access while he's in prison. Orrex Apr 2015 #275

I wondered about that too. kentauros Apr 2015 #311

So 8 months per count served whistler162 Apr 2015 #286

Hurt people noella17 Apr 2015 #287

He'll serve less than 4 I bet. alphafemale Apr 2015 #289

What I find interesting, is that if he had not extorted the women, he may madinmaryland Apr 2015 #315

When will it be time for the banksters to cry at their sentencings? ~nt~ b.durruti Apr 2015 #316

AMF! Enjoy your vacation! Adrahil Apr 2015 #319