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karynnj

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278. One not so small difference - Who really controls the area they live in?

Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:45 PM

Apr 2015

Not to mention, if the West Bank is Palestine - why are so many people working hard to achive a two state solution? Not to mention, if it is Palestine, why are the settlers voting in another country - Israel?

The fiction that the Palestinians in the West Bank are a separate country ignores that countries have boundaries - what are the boundaries? Big question - when you have an Israeli settlement on the hilltop surrounded by Palestinian villages that have been there for centuries in the valleys - what country are you in when you step into the settlement? This is the reality that has made negotiations for a two state solution ultimately unsuccessful each time -- and why Israel has never put out their version of what the map should be.

They complain that there are Arab states that create maps calling the entire area Palestine, but there are also Israeli maps that no longer include the "green line". I think that the decision decades ago to build settlements on occupied (or as Israel prefers "disputed&quot land was a disaster to the culture and country that Israel used to be.

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Israelis are understandably not thrilled with the Iran deal [View all] oberliner Apr 2015 OP

You do realize there was another not clipped statement...NOT a year ago, just 2 weeks ago..here ya go: Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #1

What is your plan to keep Iran from getting nuclear weapons, has Israel ever thought about Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #2

Israel should just be moved. There, problem solved. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #253

Let's see how successful you are in accomplishing this. Another reason to see the details Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #275

Yes, as the saying goes..."The devil is in the details." InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #276

The prospect of getting nuked back isn't a deterrent for Iran? gratuitous Apr 2015 #3

Of course it is. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #65

+1 very astute.. n/t jaysunb Apr 2015 #203

Asinine Comments by Leaders... n2doc Apr 2015 #247

Kewl story bro! Rex Apr 2015 #4

... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #200

Hey Rex.. Cha Apr 2015 #222

LOL! Rex Apr 2015 #223

LOL.. Yeah, they're real Grumpy and calling out the President for being ..wait for it.. the horrors Cha Apr 2015 #226

Oh but the parties are the same doncha know!? Rex Apr 2015 #228

"Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran" that is a direct quote from John McCain. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #238

Tough shit, Nutenyahu can take a hike dissentient Apr 2015 #5

Just stupid flase flag shit. Take it elesewhere. HERVEPA Apr 2015 #106

Too fucking bad Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #6

+1000! Puglover Apr 2015 #239

When the Israelis come up with an alernative other than WAR WAR WAR then I will have geek tragedy Apr 2015 #7

Sorry, but night is now day and water is now dry. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #8

No, the Iranian government is not trustworthy. Which is why the deal calls for intrusive geek tragedy Apr 2015 #10

Funny - we were assured for years that Iran had a Kumbaya Program, not a nuclear one. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #17

Bibi wants the US to go to war with Iran, just like he pushed for us to invade geek tragedy Apr 2015 #27

Tehran's goal is the annihilation of Israel. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #31

So will I. I stand 840high Apr 2015 #205

Like my goal is to date Robert Redford eridani Apr 2015 #207

And Israels goal is the annihilation of the Palestinian people AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #255

This is total BS oberliner Apr 2015 #34

He didn't? bravenak Apr 2015 #45

These are sad attempts that only backfire, which is funny to watch. Rex Apr 2015 #48

It's like the op forgot we have google. bravenak Apr 2015 #53

LOL! Rex Apr 2015 #57

Okay.. just showing off here.. I did the OP's Google Search for him.. Cha Apr 2015 #227

Thanks for doing their homework for them! Rex Apr 2015 #229

No problem.. I said it was "a time waster.." to the OP.. but actually it was worth it to me Cha Apr 2015 #231

Israel warned us against Iraq invasion, US official says Mosby Apr 2015 #254

The hasbara crowd rivals only the Kremlin trolls in their denial of the obvious nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #51

I'm always shocked when they totally re-write history. bravenak Apr 2015 #59

And they believe that hasbara means something pure. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #242

No -- Dick Cheney lied us into war Yupster Apr 2015 #215

Bibi was GLAD to assist him. More than happy. bravenak Apr 2015 #216

Hey, Aloha bravenak.. I did the OP's Google search for him. Thought I would share it.. Cha Apr 2015 #225

Thank you. Sorry you had to do his work for him. bravenak Apr 2015 #260

It was just so the opposite of true..I had to. Cha Apr 2015 #290

'If you take out Saddam, Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive geek tragedy Apr 2015 #49

Oh I get it now! We are ONLY supposed to diss the RWing leaders in ONE country Rex Apr 2015 #55

One is allowed to criticize other rightwing leaders as long as one geek tragedy Apr 2015 #99

Oh that is a good point! Rex Apr 2015 #102

Poor peace-loving George W Bush oberliner Apr 2015 #58

Is that your way of admitting that you were completely wrong? geek tragedy Apr 2015 #62

You have literally not a clue what you are talking about oberliner Apr 2015 #68

I said he pushed for us to invade. Which is undeniably true. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #72

And a lot of Israeli military and government people were saying the exact opposite Mosby Apr 2015 #256

Manipulated by Bibi, anyhow. Not the sharpest tool in the shed in the first placd. bravenak Apr 2015 #64

Do you even realize what you just did there? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #261

Really? 2naSalit Apr 2015 #93

You are partially right as it was Sharon that pushed the Iraqi invasion/debacle. See link below. Purveyor Apr 2015 #155

You are absolutely right on that one. The U.S. invaded Iraq twice without anyones encouragement, still_one Apr 2015 #178

It is NOT BS At All. It's true. what a time waster to google for members of DU.. who get it So Cha Apr 2015 #224

YEP. And the Bibi apologists are sad to watch, but totally predictable. Rex Apr 2015 #43

You do realize in 1953 we overthrew the Democratically elected government in Iran and still_one Apr 2015 #176

Tonnes of blowback. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #243

I do wonder how long 840high Apr 2015 #210

Didn't we try that already? Regime change in Iran? calimary Apr 2015 #288

. Rex Apr 2015 #14

LOL Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #111

I got a nasty PM from a "DUer" in timeout land. Rex Apr 2015 #113

does this poster have the word "left" in their title perchance? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #119

OH MY! Rex Apr 2015 #121

well, no, but I was in the thread where they flamed out by bashing Obama with links geek tragedy Apr 2015 #132

Thanks for this post oberliner Apr 2015 #36

who here is ascribing the very best of intentions to Iran's government? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #78

No one here has said that the Iranian government is good - as to Netanyahu I take him at his word karynnj Apr 2015 #116

That is because Palestinians are not citizens of Israel Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #267

But Israel maintains an occupation and control of the borders and waterways of Palestine. bravenak Apr 2015 #274

Except you are wrong. Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #281

They have settlements all throught the land formerly known as palestine. bravenak Apr 2015 #283

I concur that some settlements are illegal Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #287

One not so small difference - Who really controls the area they live in? karynnj Apr 2015 #278

West Bank is a legal occupation per UN Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #285

Building settlements in the legal occupied territories was illegal per the same UN karynnj Apr 2015 #289

I'll trust Israel over Iran anyday. 840high Apr 2015 #211

I don't trust either of them n/t Aerows Apr 2015 #218

How many nukes does Iran have? How many does Israel have? Which one is being inspected? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #115

Sorry, Dreamer, but your scenario omitted the elephant in the room. truebluegreen Apr 2015 #147

I don't think Iran considers any nation a threat. As for the US being a "threat" to Iran... Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #149

Dude. Learn some history. Really. truebluegreen Apr 2015 #154

I can give you a list they regularly threaten to annihilate, but you already know it by heart. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #158

"threaten" nt truebluegreen Apr 2015 #162

"Regularly." "Often." "If we did it, I bet you'd shit." nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #163

Threaten? Iran has fighters RIGHT NOW in Syria, Lebanan, Iraq and Gaza Mosby Apr 2015 #257

"they held Americans hostage for over a year and we did nothing. Some threat" AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #263

This deal actually PREVENTS Iran from developing nuclear weapons. world wide wally Apr 2015 #9

Then why are people calling this a way for Iran to meet Israel's "threat?" nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #11

In reality, it is because it will improve Iran's economic stature. world wide wally Apr 2015 #15

There are a lot of people walking around claiming that this deal negates Israel's nuclear threat. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #21

Not Israel... Just Netenyahu and his Republican cohorts. world wide wally Apr 2015 #25

Thank you. 840high Apr 2015 #206

Because Israel has been threatening them? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #266

Who says the Israelis are not? The OP has no idea and seems upset about the deal. Rex Apr 2015 #12

That is what I keep asking myself world wide wally Apr 2015 #18

Not me Rex Apr 2015 #19

You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner Apr 2015 #32

Riiigggghhhttt, you seem very upset that Obama brokered a deal with Iran. Rex Apr 2015 #38

LOL.... haikugal Apr 2015 #221

TY for pointing out the dishonesty of the poster. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #248

Personal attacks are lame dude. Mosby Apr 2015 #258

That's not what he did at all. However you are welcome to whatever delusion you choose. Rex Apr 2015 #259

I'm sorry that you can't relate to other posters without engaging in persoanl attacks Mosby Apr 2015 #264

You think it's great just like Bibi never encouraged the US to invade Iraq. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #60

Only if Iran sticks to the agreement. 840high Apr 2015 #212

Mossad has also repudiated Netanyahu’s political manipulation of the Iran threat. sinkingfeeling Apr 2015 #13

Hey WARMONGERS, 99Forever Apr 2015 #16

But but but...Iran and peace! Waaahhhh!!! Rex Apr 2015 #22

Agreed Mr Dixon Apr 2015 #24

Not talking about Bibi or his thug friends oberliner Apr 2015 #30

Just carrying the hateful asshole's water, are you? 99Forever Apr 2015 #42

The average Israeli on the street just voted R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #244

62 million Americans voted for George W Bush and Dick Cheney oberliner Apr 2015 #250

So the average Israeli on the street AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #269

+1000. closeupready Apr 2015 #79

People make too much of blathering rhetoric AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #20

Would YOU be ??!!!nt clarice Apr 2015 #23

I wonder if the deal will limit the "Death to America" chants to just a couple a week. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #26

Keep dreamin Tater. nt clarice Apr 2015 #28

The same proscription that will apply to "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" songs geek tragedy Apr 2015 #29

Really? I missed where our government leads those chants on television. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #39

You might want to go back and read what some of the Bush neocons 'chanted' and then put into ACTION sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #50

Your post is either false or fable. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #66

My post is FACT. Are you denying the now infamous threats from neocons like Michael Ledeen? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #82

Funny the majority of US and Isreali scholars think the deal is a good one. Rex Apr 2015 #95

You seem very bitter that you are not getting your war nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #54

I'm bitter at realizing the pervasiveness of binary thinking on DU. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #69

No, your schtick is that people who favor negotiations over war must be naive geek tragedy Apr 2015 #76

The facts are on the side of those who don't trust Iran. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #84

The split is not between people who trust the ayatollahs and those who don't. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #87

Funny the majority of US and Isreali scholars think the deal is a good one. Rex Apr 2015 #94

Amazing how they can say (1) this is a bad deal and (2) no of course I don't geek tragedy Apr 2015 #96

IKR!? Rex Apr 2015 #100

Well, I'm not terribly pro-Israel these days, but I do favor the right of everyone geek tragedy Apr 2015 #103

If only that was the goal of the leaders of both countries. nt Rex Apr 2015 #110

I don't trust anyone, actually, but I trust least THOSE WHO TELEVISE DEATH TO AMERICA AND ISRAEL. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #129

I have to question the mental competency of any Democrat... Chan790 Apr 2015 #138

I trust Bibi equally as much as anyone in power in Iran. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #145

Well, Dreamer... Chan790 Apr 2015 #157

Look, I get it. To make the deal the life-altering thing you claim it is... Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #159

Exactly Aerows Apr 2015 #220

Bingo! Aerows Apr 2015 #177

... 2naSalit Apr 2015 #135

You offer nothing else. We now have intrusive inspections to make sure they don't get nukes. What neverforget Apr 2015 #219

McCain did that chant on tv. He also said selling Iran cigarettes is ok because it kills them. arcane1 Apr 2015 #134

Please link to McCain leading a throng with specifically that chant. I will wait. Forever. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #146

I said McCain did that chant on tv arcane1 Apr 2015 #148

Well, the Iranian leader did, you see. And McCain is a grumpy old bastard with no power. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #150

You're right. McCain was just a senator running for president at the time arcane1 Apr 2015 #152

McCain Chairs the Armed Services Committee AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #268

In a way, yeah it kinda will tkmorris Apr 2015 #46

Yeah, finally wartorn Iran can begin to rebuild. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #52

You are being deliberately obtuse tkmorris Apr 2015 #90

Your posts, as usual, are nonsense. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #107

Quit digging. n/t Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #128

Interesting that your historical memory seems to start in 1979... truebluegreen Apr 2015 #153

Well then we ought to be even-stevens by now. Yet they still howl for your death and mine on TV. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #156

And hold candlelight vigils in the streets of Tehran after the US was attacked truebluegreen Apr 2015 #161

Part of your demonization of me requires that you assume I disregard the Iranian people. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #165

You must think a lot of yourself. truebluegreen Apr 2015 #217

and we say nothing bad about them, no sir. truebluegreen Apr 2015 #164

Organized chanting, on state TV? No, we don't. Next question. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #166

Ah, how soon we forget: KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #208

I thought that was a national holiday in Iran… not a daily occurrence world wide wally Apr 2015 #168

You want we should go to war for chants?..I think not. whathehell Apr 2015 #233

If Iran wanted ann--- Apr 2015 #33

How could Iran annihilate Israel? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #44

They can't - that was my point ann--- Apr 2015 #101

Because the Arab coalition would have crumbled once the Israelis were Involved... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #108

Exactly.. sendero Apr 2015 #175

Some times there are no perfect solutions or even good ones... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #35

I acknowledge that it might not be just that Israelis wanted to start a war against Iran - 47 GOP leveymg Apr 2015 #37

Maybe those are reactions to the constant threats from ISRAEL to use TACTICAL NUKES sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #40

When did Israel threaten to use tactical nuclear weapons? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #56

You don't remember that throughout the Bush years? But we don't even have to go back sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #117

The Republicants threatened to use nukes on Iran not the Israelis... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #123

Wrong, the Israelis threatened to use Tactical Nukes during the Bush years. Of course Republicans sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #140

I'm going to need a citation that the Israelis threatened to use nuclear weapons ... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #169

"Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran" sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #187

You are conflating threats with plans DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #190

Back pedaling now? You did not believe that Israel threatened AND worse, PLANNED to use tactical sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #195

I never once pointed to Iranian rhetoric in this thread... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #185

The 1973 War was the first time Israel used nuclear blackmail against the US. leveymg Apr 2015 #186

Yes but they have never publicly threatened to use nuclear weapons, especially on Iran... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #188

Israel his issued almost daily threats implying use of nukes against Iran for more than decade. leveymg Apr 2015 #193

Retract what? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #194

Israel's nuclear "ambiguity" policy is to evade NPT sanctions. It has been very clear about threats leveymg Apr 2015 #251

Thank you! sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #201

+1,000,000 n/t cpwm17 Apr 2015 #197

Tough shit! They also didn't like who we voted for for president last time. bravenak Apr 2015 #41

Of course they don't have a say oberliner Apr 2015 #63

Enough voted for RIGHTWING parties to give him the victory. bravenak Apr 2015 #74

Psst.. Bibi's coalition hasn't been accepted yet Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #271

Let's hope you are right. He still got the first bite at the apple. bravenak Apr 2015 #272

They Should Embrace It HassleCat Apr 2015 #47

the right wing war mongerers running the Israeli government are not "Israel". Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #61

I'd be curious to see a poll of Israelis oberliner Apr 2015 #71

I believe there are more right wing Israelis than you think. m-lekktor Apr 2015 #183

I did not quantify that, so I have no idea how you Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #199

Agreed oberliner Apr 2015 #237

Stalin was our close allie in WWII. Under Stalin about 20 were put to death. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #67

I agree that the deal makes sense for the US oberliner Apr 2015 #73

I have relatives in Israel, so I do understand their perspective. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #92

"It is a pity that neither nation has humanitarian leaders." THAT is the core of the problem imo. Rex Apr 2015 #105

maybe Bibi is crying because Israels position as king is ending Backwoodsrider Apr 2015 #70

So it's not Bibi who is the warmonger, it's Israel in general? oberliner Apr 2015 #77

Who put Bibi in his current position? LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #91

Actually, he was elected by about 25% of the Israeli population Oilwellian Apr 2015 #172

According to your op: yes. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #124

Anyone who says Iran is not worthy of serious watching, isn't paying attention. herding cats Apr 2015 #75

+1 n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #81

If Israel wants to start a way, they are on their own, IMO. Adrahil Apr 2015 #80

What has Israel done to piss off Khamenei? B Calm Apr 2015 #83

Existing oberliner Apr 2015 #86

So. . Has he ever attacked Israel? B Calm Apr 2015 #88

Yes, repeatedly and consistently year after year oberliner Apr 2015 #118

So it must be the arms Reagan gave to Iran?. Looks like Israel fight is with the United States. B Calm Apr 2015 #126

Does that mean that America attacked Palestine, since we provide many of the bombs and vetos? bravenak Apr 2015 #127

Many Palestinians certainly see it that way oberliner Apr 2015 #144

Then I suppose the only way for the US to have much influence in the area is to break up with Israel bravenak Apr 2015 #262

Nobody puts Bibi in a corner! ` LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #85

Thats why having a deal and having it under control treestar Apr 2015 #89

Gee who to believe...a username on the WWW or US and Isreali scholars. Rex Apr 2015 #97

I agree that the deal is a good one oberliner Apr 2015 #120

Well it is insulting to make people out to be supporting Iran, because they Rex Apr 2015 #125

Mostly the stupid or deluded ones, I think. Orsino Apr 2015 #98

the deal keeps iran from developing nukes...... spanone Apr 2015 #104

They are fear mongering. They have bombs, Iran does not. Bibi has said inflammatory things Pisces Apr 2015 #109

Boo Hoo. Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #112

Don't worry, if we roll over and "except the inevitable", they will be obliterated soon enough! PassingFair Apr 2015 #114

+1 n/t Oilwellian Apr 2015 #174

By his deeds shall a man be known malaise Apr 2015 #122

Details, details... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #252

Except for one thing. Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #273

No, I don't find it understandable BainsBane Apr 2015 #130

"Iran is not run by a dictator. What the fuck are you even spewing?" oberliner Apr 2015 #131

Uninformed how? BainsBane Apr 2015 #133

I have always understood that Iran was inhibited by peaceful Persians. B Calm Apr 2015 #136

Lobbyists call the shots. Scrabbleddie Apr 2015 #137

A better deal than expected - an Israeli op-ed question everything Apr 2015 #139

If they are truly that concerned, what the hell is keeping them from attacking Iran? ... LannyDeVaney Apr 2015 #141

There are a host of reasons oberliner Apr 2015 #142

You mean like our invasion twice of Iraq? still_one Apr 2015 #180

If war is the thing that Israelis fear, then I fail to see why they would not celebrate. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #143

Boo-fucking-hoo! Dismantle your 'apartheid state' and then perhaps a discussion can be had. eom Purveyor Apr 2015 #151

Who cares what ann--- Apr 2015 #160

Of course Depaysement Apr 2015 #167

in what possible sense is it "understandable" gcomeau Apr 2015 #170

And Bibi said there will never be a 2-state solution. randome Apr 2015 #171

Netanyahu has done more damage to Israel and its security, than its enemies. still_one Apr 2015 #179

I don't see how anyone could think otherwise. randome Apr 2015 #181

Hell, Israel needs someone like Rabin, but the radicals in his country assassinated him, just like still_one Apr 2015 #182

Netanyahu will go down as the man who did what Nasser, Saddam, the ayatollahs, geek tragedy Apr 2015 #184

Either that or turning Israel into another hifiguy Apr 2015 #192

Absitively and posolutely. hifiguy Apr 2015 #191

Um alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #173

Israel will be the first to strike RedstDem Apr 2015 #189

"Dehumanizing rhetoric" like "mowing the lawn"? randome Apr 2015 #198

Yet Israel gets to keep their nukes & a pat on the back by the good ole US? U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #202

Doesn't look like this thread went the way you were hoping, Oberliner Scootaloo Apr 2015 #204

Sorry, this reminds me of people who complained about Obama's idea for two free years Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #209

"Khamenei isn't the sole ruler of Iran." oberliner Apr 2015 #236

You're right, let's never deal diplomatically with them again. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #245

It's funny; when Ahmadinejad was president, you barely heard people talk about Khameini. We Chathamization Apr 2015 #240

Bingo. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #246

Bibi doen't like it? eridani Apr 2015 #213

... Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #214

So I thought we all wanted peace in the Middle East? Or just another 'thanks Obama' moment? Rex Apr 2015 #230

Oberliner: Yes, Khomeini is a menace to his own people and others. I hope is this will usher in an freshwest Apr 2015 #232

Thanks for sharing your thoughts oberliner Apr 2015 #235

Tough. If they want a war, let them spend THEIR blood and treasure.. whathehell Apr 2015 #234

Does it chap yer backside that diplomacy wins today? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #241

No I think the deal is great and I am very pleased that an agreement was reached oberliner Apr 2015 #249

So let's start a war because of some comments? DCBob Apr 2015 #265

if we used that logic that would lead the U.S. to do something like say invade Iraq....... still_one Apr 2015 #280

Yes, understandably rjsquirrel Apr 2015 #270

Oh Mah G-D! Aerows Apr 2015 #277

. bravenak Apr 2015 #279

I'm so sick of Aerows Apr 2015 #282

This thread is filled with circular logic and outright lying. bravenak Apr 2015 #286

OK, I see your point. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #284

And the Israeli government doesn't have disdain for Iran? Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #291