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289. Building settlements in the legal occupied territories was illegal per the same UN

Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:19 PM

Apr 2015

As to Abbas and Bibi taliking - it is pretty clear that will not happen. Obama has tried twice - with two very good diplomats, George Mitchell and John Kerry. Netanyahu likely told the truth before the election that he will not have a 2 state solution on his watch.

Jerusalem is not the only problem. I do think an international Jerusalem might be a good solution - but BOTH want it for their capital. There is a huge problem that developed with teh settlements - the word "settlement" belies how large and permanent they are. Unless the settlers were forced to leave from all but a few settlements right on the border, you are left with something that looks like Swiss Cheese - one with a lot of holes. Not to mention the roads between these holes and Israel proper - that can only be accessed by Israelis.

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Israelis are understandably not thrilled with the Iran deal [View all] oberliner Apr 2015 OP

You do realize there was another not clipped statement...NOT a year ago, just 2 weeks ago..here ya go: Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #1

What is your plan to keep Iran from getting nuclear weapons, has Israel ever thought about Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #2

Israel should just be moved. There, problem solved. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #253

Let's see how successful you are in accomplishing this. Another reason to see the details Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #275

Yes, as the saying goes..."The devil is in the details." InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #276

The prospect of getting nuked back isn't a deterrent for Iran? gratuitous Apr 2015 #3

Of course it is. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #65

+1 very astute.. n/t jaysunb Apr 2015 #203

Asinine Comments by Leaders... n2doc Apr 2015 #247

Kewl story bro! Rex Apr 2015 #4

... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #200

Hey Rex.. Cha Apr 2015 #222

LOL! Rex Apr 2015 #223

LOL.. Yeah, they're real Grumpy and calling out the President for being ..wait for it.. the horrors Cha Apr 2015 #226

Oh but the parties are the same doncha know!? Rex Apr 2015 #228

"Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran" that is a direct quote from John McCain. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #238

Tough shit, Nutenyahu can take a hike dissentient Apr 2015 #5

Just stupid flase flag shit. Take it elesewhere. HERVEPA Apr 2015 #106

Too fucking bad Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #6

+1000! Puglover Apr 2015 #239

When the Israelis come up with an alernative other than WAR WAR WAR then I will have geek tragedy Apr 2015 #7

Sorry, but night is now day and water is now dry. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #8

No, the Iranian government is not trustworthy. Which is why the deal calls for intrusive geek tragedy Apr 2015 #10

Funny - we were assured for years that Iran had a Kumbaya Program, not a nuclear one. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #17

Bibi wants the US to go to war with Iran, just like he pushed for us to invade geek tragedy Apr 2015 #27

Tehran's goal is the annihilation of Israel. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #31

So will I. I stand 840high Apr 2015 #205

Like my goal is to date Robert Redford eridani Apr 2015 #207

And Israels goal is the annihilation of the Palestinian people AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #255

This is total BS oberliner Apr 2015 #34

He didn't? bravenak Apr 2015 #45

These are sad attempts that only backfire, which is funny to watch. Rex Apr 2015 #48

It's like the op forgot we have google. bravenak Apr 2015 #53

LOL! Rex Apr 2015 #57

Okay.. just showing off here.. I did the OP's Google Search for him.. Cha Apr 2015 #227

Thanks for doing their homework for them! Rex Apr 2015 #229

No problem.. I said it was "a time waster.." to the OP.. but actually it was worth it to me Cha Apr 2015 #231

Israel warned us against Iraq invasion, US official says Mosby Apr 2015 #254

The hasbara crowd rivals only the Kremlin trolls in their denial of the obvious nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #51

I'm always shocked when they totally re-write history. bravenak Apr 2015 #59

And they believe that hasbara means something pure. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #242

No -- Dick Cheney lied us into war Yupster Apr 2015 #215

Bibi was GLAD to assist him. More than happy. bravenak Apr 2015 #216

Hey, Aloha bravenak.. I did the OP's Google search for him. Thought I would share it.. Cha Apr 2015 #225

Thank you. Sorry you had to do his work for him. bravenak Apr 2015 #260

It was just so the opposite of true..I had to. Cha Apr 2015 #290

'If you take out Saddam, Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive geek tragedy Apr 2015 #49

Oh I get it now! We are ONLY supposed to diss the RWing leaders in ONE country Rex Apr 2015 #55

One is allowed to criticize other rightwing leaders as long as one geek tragedy Apr 2015 #99

Oh that is a good point! Rex Apr 2015 #102

Poor peace-loving George W Bush oberliner Apr 2015 #58

Is that your way of admitting that you were completely wrong? geek tragedy Apr 2015 #62

You have literally not a clue what you are talking about oberliner Apr 2015 #68

I said he pushed for us to invade. Which is undeniably true. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #72

And a lot of Israeli military and government people were saying the exact opposite Mosby Apr 2015 #256

Manipulated by Bibi, anyhow. Not the sharpest tool in the shed in the first placd. bravenak Apr 2015 #64

Do you even realize what you just did there? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #261

Really? 2naSalit Apr 2015 #93

You are partially right as it was Sharon that pushed the Iraqi invasion/debacle. See link below. Purveyor Apr 2015 #155

You are absolutely right on that one. The U.S. invaded Iraq twice without anyones encouragement, still_one Apr 2015 #178

It is NOT BS At All. It's true. what a time waster to google for members of DU.. who get it So Cha Apr 2015 #224

YEP. And the Bibi apologists are sad to watch, but totally predictable. Rex Apr 2015 #43

You do realize in 1953 we overthrew the Democratically elected government in Iran and still_one Apr 2015 #176

Tonnes of blowback. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #243

I do wonder how long 840high Apr 2015 #210

Didn't we try that already? Regime change in Iran? calimary Apr 2015 #288

. Rex Apr 2015 #14

LOL Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #111

I got a nasty PM from a "DUer" in timeout land. Rex Apr 2015 #113

does this poster have the word "left" in their title perchance? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #119

OH MY! Rex Apr 2015 #121

well, no, but I was in the thread where they flamed out by bashing Obama with links geek tragedy Apr 2015 #132

Thanks for this post oberliner Apr 2015 #36

who here is ascribing the very best of intentions to Iran's government? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #78

No one here has said that the Iranian government is good - as to Netanyahu I take him at his word karynnj Apr 2015 #116

That is because Palestinians are not citizens of Israel Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #267

But Israel maintains an occupation and control of the borders and waterways of Palestine. bravenak Apr 2015 #274

Except you are wrong. Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #281

They have settlements all throught the land formerly known as palestine. bravenak Apr 2015 #283

I concur that some settlements are illegal Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #287

One not so small difference - Who really controls the area they live in? karynnj Apr 2015 #278

West Bank is a legal occupation per UN Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #285

Building settlements in the legal occupied territories was illegal per the same UN karynnj Apr 2015 #289

I'll trust Israel over Iran anyday. 840high Apr 2015 #211

I don't trust either of them n/t Aerows Apr 2015 #218

How many nukes does Iran have? How many does Israel have? Which one is being inspected? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #115

Sorry, Dreamer, but your scenario omitted the elephant in the room. truebluegreen Apr 2015 #147

I don't think Iran considers any nation a threat. As for the US being a "threat" to Iran... Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #149

Dude. Learn some history. Really. truebluegreen Apr 2015 #154

I can give you a list they regularly threaten to annihilate, but you already know it by heart. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #158

"threaten" nt truebluegreen Apr 2015 #162

"Regularly." "Often." "If we did it, I bet you'd shit." nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #163

Threaten? Iran has fighters RIGHT NOW in Syria, Lebanan, Iraq and Gaza Mosby Apr 2015 #257

"they held Americans hostage for over a year and we did nothing. Some threat" AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #263

This deal actually PREVENTS Iran from developing nuclear weapons. world wide wally Apr 2015 #9

Then why are people calling this a way for Iran to meet Israel's "threat?" nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #11

In reality, it is because it will improve Iran's economic stature. world wide wally Apr 2015 #15

There are a lot of people walking around claiming that this deal negates Israel's nuclear threat. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #21

Not Israel... Just Netenyahu and his Republican cohorts. world wide wally Apr 2015 #25

Thank you. 840high Apr 2015 #206

Because Israel has been threatening them? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #266

Who says the Israelis are not? The OP has no idea and seems upset about the deal. Rex Apr 2015 #12

That is what I keep asking myself world wide wally Apr 2015 #18

Not me Rex Apr 2015 #19

You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner Apr 2015 #32

Riiigggghhhttt, you seem very upset that Obama brokered a deal with Iran. Rex Apr 2015 #38

LOL.... haikugal Apr 2015 #221

TY for pointing out the dishonesty of the poster. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #248

Personal attacks are lame dude. Mosby Apr 2015 #258

That's not what he did at all. However you are welcome to whatever delusion you choose. Rex Apr 2015 #259

I'm sorry that you can't relate to other posters without engaging in persoanl attacks Mosby Apr 2015 #264

You think it's great just like Bibi never encouraged the US to invade Iraq. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #60

Only if Iran sticks to the agreement. 840high Apr 2015 #212

Mossad has also repudiated Netanyahu’s political manipulation of the Iran threat. sinkingfeeling Apr 2015 #13

Hey WARMONGERS, 99Forever Apr 2015 #16

But but but...Iran and peace! Waaahhhh!!! Rex Apr 2015 #22

Agreed Mr Dixon Apr 2015 #24

Not talking about Bibi or his thug friends oberliner Apr 2015 #30

Just carrying the hateful asshole's water, are you? 99Forever Apr 2015 #42

The average Israeli on the street just voted R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #244

62 million Americans voted for George W Bush and Dick Cheney oberliner Apr 2015 #250

So the average Israeli on the street AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #269

+1000. closeupready Apr 2015 #79

People make too much of blathering rhetoric AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #20

Would YOU be ??!!!nt clarice Apr 2015 #23

I wonder if the deal will limit the "Death to America" chants to just a couple a week. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #26

Keep dreamin Tater. nt clarice Apr 2015 #28

The same proscription that will apply to "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" songs geek tragedy Apr 2015 #29

Really? I missed where our government leads those chants on television. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #39

You might want to go back and read what some of the Bush neocons 'chanted' and then put into ACTION sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #50

Your post is either false or fable. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #66

My post is FACT. Are you denying the now infamous threats from neocons like Michael Ledeen? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #82

Funny the majority of US and Isreali scholars think the deal is a good one. Rex Apr 2015 #95

You seem very bitter that you are not getting your war nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #54

I'm bitter at realizing the pervasiveness of binary thinking on DU. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #69

No, your schtick is that people who favor negotiations over war must be naive geek tragedy Apr 2015 #76

The facts are on the side of those who don't trust Iran. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #84

The split is not between people who trust the ayatollahs and those who don't. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #87

Funny the majority of US and Isreali scholars think the deal is a good one. Rex Apr 2015 #94

Amazing how they can say (1) this is a bad deal and (2) no of course I don't geek tragedy Apr 2015 #96

IKR!? Rex Apr 2015 #100

Well, I'm not terribly pro-Israel these days, but I do favor the right of everyone geek tragedy Apr 2015 #103

If only that was the goal of the leaders of both countries. nt Rex Apr 2015 #110

I don't trust anyone, actually, but I trust least THOSE WHO TELEVISE DEATH TO AMERICA AND ISRAEL. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #129

I have to question the mental competency of any Democrat... Chan790 Apr 2015 #138

I trust Bibi equally as much as anyone in power in Iran. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #145

Well, Dreamer... Chan790 Apr 2015 #157

Look, I get it. To make the deal the life-altering thing you claim it is... Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #159

Exactly Aerows Apr 2015 #220

Bingo! Aerows Apr 2015 #177

... 2naSalit Apr 2015 #135

You offer nothing else. We now have intrusive inspections to make sure they don't get nukes. What neverforget Apr 2015 #219

McCain did that chant on tv. He also said selling Iran cigarettes is ok because it kills them. arcane1 Apr 2015 #134

Please link to McCain leading a throng with specifically that chant. I will wait. Forever. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #146

I said McCain did that chant on tv arcane1 Apr 2015 #148

Well, the Iranian leader did, you see. And McCain is a grumpy old bastard with no power. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #150

You're right. McCain was just a senator running for president at the time arcane1 Apr 2015 #152

McCain Chairs the Armed Services Committee AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #268

In a way, yeah it kinda will tkmorris Apr 2015 #46

Yeah, finally wartorn Iran can begin to rebuild. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #52

You are being deliberately obtuse tkmorris Apr 2015 #90

Your posts, as usual, are nonsense. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #107

Quit digging. n/t Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #128

Interesting that your historical memory seems to start in 1979... truebluegreen Apr 2015 #153

Well then we ought to be even-stevens by now. Yet they still howl for your death and mine on TV. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #156

And hold candlelight vigils in the streets of Tehran after the US was attacked truebluegreen Apr 2015 #161

Part of your demonization of me requires that you assume I disregard the Iranian people. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #165

You must think a lot of yourself. truebluegreen Apr 2015 #217

and we say nothing bad about them, no sir. truebluegreen Apr 2015 #164

Organized chanting, on state TV? No, we don't. Next question. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2015 #166

Ah, how soon we forget: KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #208

I thought that was a national holiday in Iran… not a daily occurrence world wide wally Apr 2015 #168

You want we should go to war for chants?..I think not. whathehell Apr 2015 #233

If Iran wanted ann--- Apr 2015 #33

How could Iran annihilate Israel? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #44

They can't - that was my point ann--- Apr 2015 #101

Because the Arab coalition would have crumbled once the Israelis were Involved... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #108

Exactly.. sendero Apr 2015 #175

Some times there are no perfect solutions or even good ones... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #35

I acknowledge that it might not be just that Israelis wanted to start a war against Iran - 47 GOP leveymg Apr 2015 #37

Maybe those are reactions to the constant threats from ISRAEL to use TACTICAL NUKES sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #40

When did Israel threaten to use tactical nuclear weapons? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #56

You don't remember that throughout the Bush years? But we don't even have to go back sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #117

The Republicants threatened to use nukes on Iran not the Israelis... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #123

Wrong, the Israelis threatened to use Tactical Nukes during the Bush years. Of course Republicans sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #140

I'm going to need a citation that the Israelis threatened to use nuclear weapons ... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #169

"Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran" sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #187

You are conflating threats with plans DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #190

Back pedaling now? You did not believe that Israel threatened AND worse, PLANNED to use tactical sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #195

I never once pointed to Iranian rhetoric in this thread... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #185

The 1973 War was the first time Israel used nuclear blackmail against the US. leveymg Apr 2015 #186

Yes but they have never publicly threatened to use nuclear weapons, especially on Iran... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #188

Israel his issued almost daily threats implying use of nukes against Iran for more than decade. leveymg Apr 2015 #193

Retract what? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #194

Israel's nuclear "ambiguity" policy is to evade NPT sanctions. It has been very clear about threats leveymg Apr 2015 #251

Thank you! sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #201

+1,000,000 n/t cpwm17 Apr 2015 #197

Tough shit! They also didn't like who we voted for for president last time. bravenak Apr 2015 #41

Of course they don't have a say oberliner Apr 2015 #63

Enough voted for RIGHTWING parties to give him the victory. bravenak Apr 2015 #74

Psst.. Bibi's coalition hasn't been accepted yet Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #271

Let's hope you are right. He still got the first bite at the apple. bravenak Apr 2015 #272

They Should Embrace It HassleCat Apr 2015 #47

the right wing war mongerers running the Israeli government are not "Israel". Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #61

I'd be curious to see a poll of Israelis oberliner Apr 2015 #71

I believe there are more right wing Israelis than you think. m-lekktor Apr 2015 #183

I did not quantify that, so I have no idea how you Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #199

Agreed oberliner Apr 2015 #237

Stalin was our close allie in WWII. Under Stalin about 20 were put to death. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #67

I agree that the deal makes sense for the US oberliner Apr 2015 #73

I have relatives in Israel, so I do understand their perspective. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #92

"It is a pity that neither nation has humanitarian leaders." THAT is the core of the problem imo. Rex Apr 2015 #105

maybe Bibi is crying because Israels position as king is ending Backwoodsrider Apr 2015 #70

So it's not Bibi who is the warmonger, it's Israel in general? oberliner Apr 2015 #77

Who put Bibi in his current position? LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #91

Actually, he was elected by about 25% of the Israeli population Oilwellian Apr 2015 #172

According to your op: yes. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #124

Anyone who says Iran is not worthy of serious watching, isn't paying attention. herding cats Apr 2015 #75

+1 n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #81

If Israel wants to start a way, they are on their own, IMO. Adrahil Apr 2015 #80

What has Israel done to piss off Khamenei? B Calm Apr 2015 #83

Existing oberliner Apr 2015 #86

So. . Has he ever attacked Israel? B Calm Apr 2015 #88

Yes, repeatedly and consistently year after year oberliner Apr 2015 #118

So it must be the arms Reagan gave to Iran?. Looks like Israel fight is with the United States. B Calm Apr 2015 #126

Does that mean that America attacked Palestine, since we provide many of the bombs and vetos? bravenak Apr 2015 #127

Many Palestinians certainly see it that way oberliner Apr 2015 #144

Then I suppose the only way for the US to have much influence in the area is to break up with Israel bravenak Apr 2015 #262

Nobody puts Bibi in a corner! ` LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #85

Thats why having a deal and having it under control treestar Apr 2015 #89

Gee who to believe...a username on the WWW or US and Isreali scholars. Rex Apr 2015 #97

I agree that the deal is a good one oberliner Apr 2015 #120

Well it is insulting to make people out to be supporting Iran, because they Rex Apr 2015 #125

Mostly the stupid or deluded ones, I think. Orsino Apr 2015 #98

the deal keeps iran from developing nukes...... spanone Apr 2015 #104

They are fear mongering. They have bombs, Iran does not. Bibi has said inflammatory things Pisces Apr 2015 #109

Boo Hoo. Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #112

Don't worry, if we roll over and "except the inevitable", they will be obliterated soon enough! PassingFair Apr 2015 #114

+1 n/t Oilwellian Apr 2015 #174

By his deeds shall a man be known malaise Apr 2015 #122

Details, details... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #252

Except for one thing. Ageless Democrat Apr 2015 #273

No, I don't find it understandable BainsBane Apr 2015 #130

"Iran is not run by a dictator. What the fuck are you even spewing?" oberliner Apr 2015 #131

Uninformed how? BainsBane Apr 2015 #133

I have always understood that Iran was inhibited by peaceful Persians. B Calm Apr 2015 #136

Lobbyists call the shots. Scrabbleddie Apr 2015 #137

A better deal than expected - an Israeli op-ed question everything Apr 2015 #139

If they are truly that concerned, what the hell is keeping them from attacking Iran? ... LannyDeVaney Apr 2015 #141

There are a host of reasons oberliner Apr 2015 #142

You mean like our invasion twice of Iraq? still_one Apr 2015 #180

If war is the thing that Israelis fear, then I fail to see why they would not celebrate. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #143

Boo-fucking-hoo! Dismantle your 'apartheid state' and then perhaps a discussion can be had. eom Purveyor Apr 2015 #151

Who cares what ann--- Apr 2015 #160

Of course Depaysement Apr 2015 #167

in what possible sense is it "understandable" gcomeau Apr 2015 #170

And Bibi said there will never be a 2-state solution. randome Apr 2015 #171

Netanyahu has done more damage to Israel and its security, than its enemies. still_one Apr 2015 #179

I don't see how anyone could think otherwise. randome Apr 2015 #181

Hell, Israel needs someone like Rabin, but the radicals in his country assassinated him, just like still_one Apr 2015 #182

Netanyahu will go down as the man who did what Nasser, Saddam, the ayatollahs, geek tragedy Apr 2015 #184

Either that or turning Israel into another hifiguy Apr 2015 #192

Absitively and posolutely. hifiguy Apr 2015 #191

Um alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #173

Israel will be the first to strike RedstDem Apr 2015 #189

"Dehumanizing rhetoric" like "mowing the lawn"? randome Apr 2015 #198

Yet Israel gets to keep their nukes & a pat on the back by the good ole US? U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #202

Doesn't look like this thread went the way you were hoping, Oberliner Scootaloo Apr 2015 #204

Sorry, this reminds me of people who complained about Obama's idea for two free years Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #209

"Khamenei isn't the sole ruler of Iran." oberliner Apr 2015 #236

You're right, let's never deal diplomatically with them again. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #245

It's funny; when Ahmadinejad was president, you barely heard people talk about Khameini. We Chathamization Apr 2015 #240

Bingo. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #246

Bibi doen't like it? eridani Apr 2015 #213

... Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #214

So I thought we all wanted peace in the Middle East? Or just another 'thanks Obama' moment? Rex Apr 2015 #230

Oberliner: Yes, Khomeini is a menace to his own people and others. I hope is this will usher in an freshwest Apr 2015 #232

Thanks for sharing your thoughts oberliner Apr 2015 #235

Tough. If they want a war, let them spend THEIR blood and treasure.. whathehell Apr 2015 #234

Does it chap yer backside that diplomacy wins today? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #241

No I think the deal is great and I am very pleased that an agreement was reached oberliner Apr 2015 #249

So let's start a war because of some comments? DCBob Apr 2015 #265

if we used that logic that would lead the U.S. to do something like say invade Iraq....... still_one Apr 2015 #280

Yes, understandably rjsquirrel Apr 2015 #270

Oh Mah G-D! Aerows Apr 2015 #277

. bravenak Apr 2015 #279

I'm so sick of Aerows Apr 2015 #282

This thread is filled with circular logic and outright lying. bravenak Apr 2015 #286

OK, I see your point. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #284

And the Israeli government doesn't have disdain for Iran? Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #291