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qwlauren35

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83. I don't think that's quite what we need.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:22 PM
Apr 2015

We need a conversation.

In order for laws to be changed, they have to have stimulus. And right now, there is little stimulus to protect the rights of criminals, alleged criminals, or those enacting "suspicious behavior", because we are too busy being "tough on crime". After reading this thread and doing some real thinking about it, I went to the ACLU website to see what they are doing. They are tracking the rate at which police are kililng people, and they are starting conversations about change. The big thing that they are pushing is "de-escalation". Teaching police officers to approach situations without automatically reaching for firearms. But it has to be more than just the ACLU. It has to be a nation-wide fight with pictures, videos and images. Just like Selma was about pictures and images. We have to garner sympathy for a group of people that everyone loves to hate - criminals.

Now, I am experiencing somewhat of an awakening on this. Because I cheered when Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in prison. Too often, I cheer when the bad guy gets hurt or killed on TV or in the movies. And if I have to have my eyes opened about the rights of criminals, and I'm a pretty progressive type, I know it's going to be harder to move people on this. Hence the images and the conversations. And stories.

I have a Facebook friend who thinks Trayvon Martin deserved to be killed. I read another comment in Facebook that someone would be more sympathetic toward Michael Brown if he wasn't a criminal. An uphill battle.

I would like to know, and support, other organizations that are trying to de-escalate police encounters, and protect the rights of criminals, accused criminals and "suspicious persons". If you know of any, please post them here.

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K & R. And I think the answer to your question might be that Wella Mar 2015 #1
absolutely no doubt. marym625 Mar 2015 #2
In the end, power corrupts. It doesn't matter who you are. Wella Mar 2015 #3
I have never been so disillusioned marym625 Mar 2015 #4
I know. I just cringe for the next generation. Wella Mar 2015 #5
Well, it's hardly am upbeat post marym625 Mar 2015 #6
Well, there is that Wella Mar 2015 #7
doubt it marym625 Mar 2015 #8
Then that's that. Wella Mar 2015 #9
LOL! marym625 Mar 2015 #10
People have been distracted and silenced. Wella Mar 2015 #11
yummy! marym625 Mar 2015 #12
Oh, all right.... Wella Mar 2015 #13
Oh so very yummy! marym625 Mar 2015 #15
It's a work of art, I think. Wella Mar 2015 #18
I completely agree with that! marym625 Mar 2015 #20
Damn it, could you give an image warning? daleanime Mar 2015 #32
My apologies! Wella Mar 2015 #64
I think you're right. 840high Mar 2015 #58
bs cop out. LeftOfWest Apr 2015 #84
excellent post Mary M guillaumeb Mar 2015 #14
Thank you very much marym625 Mar 2015 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #24
Wow, victim blaming much? KitSileya Mar 2015 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #26
I missed all the name removed marym625 Mar 2015 #35
Was mewling on about how blacks had to start respecting themselves KitSileya Mar 2015 #42
Same sorry bullshit then. marym625 Mar 2015 #44
It won't happen, people like their security outsourced. ileus Mar 2015 #17
What a thought marym625 Mar 2015 #19
Consciousness about young black men...and duhneece Mar 2015 #21
I am glad you have hope marym625 Mar 2015 #22
I hear you duhneece Mar 2015 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #23
How many of those were ruled to be murder? dariomax Mar 2015 #27
I am not sure any were marym625 Mar 2015 #36
This administration has aggressively EXPANDED police militarization and shows no signs woo me with science Mar 2015 #28
+1000 marym625 Mar 2015 #37
I so wish I could k and r this post 1000 times. Thanks woo. We are so fracked. bbgrunt Apr 2015 #77
Very thought provoking. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #82
This subject qualifies as an issue of extreme importance to me. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #29
Thank you for your thoughts marym625 Mar 2015 #38
Great post. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #81
Not a priority. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #30
Thank you, Deswiss! marym625 Mar 2015 #39
Truth to power Mary, always. 99Forever Mar 2015 #31
It is. and we have to use it marym625 Mar 2015 #40
K&R.... daleanime Mar 2015 #33
Thank you! marym625 Mar 2015 #41
not a priority w/ the big2 political parties. KG Mar 2015 #34
Some absolutely wonderful speechifying! marym625 Mar 2015 #43
Bills? What bills? malaise Mar 2015 #45
I know marym625 Mar 2015 #46
as to what to do about it guillaumeb Mar 2015 #47
Oh I wish I knew! marym625 Mar 2015 #50
and to you, especially for the posts guillaumeb Mar 2015 #53
Thanks again! eom marym625 Mar 2015 #55
Next in line behind bills to remove Stand Your Ground laws. aikoaiko Mar 2015 #48
Oh those have to go! marym625 Mar 2015 #51
If anyone was going to reform SYG laws it was Floriday after Zimmerman. aikoaiko Mar 2015 #59
I agree it was the best chance to change the law marym625 Mar 2015 #66
kick Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #49
Thank you! marym625 Mar 2015 #52
There are tiny signs of positive change. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #54
Yes, true stuff. marym625 Mar 2015 #56
Here you go, Mary. Federal bills: Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #63
Thank you! marym625 Mar 2015 #67
Yes, it is frustrating. My first thought was to say we need Democrats in control. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #69
No, they won't either marym625 Mar 2015 #73
kick napkinz Mar 2015 #60
Thank you, napkinz! marym625 Mar 2015 #61
you're welcome marym625 napkinz Mar 2015 #62
kick. The police state is protected and grown. woo me with science Mar 2015 #65
Thank you, Woo. marym625 Mar 2015 #68
K & R nt mother earth Mar 2015 #70
Thank you marym625 Mar 2015 #71
TY, Mary, for bringing this here. nt mother earth Mar 2015 #72
I didn't realize how often these things were captured on video. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #74
absolutely no doubt! marym625 Apr 2015 #78
There are no "Good Cops"....full stop A HERETIC I AM Apr 2015 #75
Thank you for this marym625 Apr 2015 #79
We need to elect some Democrats to introduce those bills Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #76
We need to elect Democrats with backbone marym625 Apr 2015 #80
I don't think that's quite what we need. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #83
Mary qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #85
As much as I love moveon.org marym625 Apr 2015 #86
I'm thinking DOJ. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #87
personally, I don't think the DoJ gives a shit. marym625 Apr 2015 #89
Kick for exposure. arundhatiroyfan Apr 2015 #88
Thank you for the kick marym625 Apr 2015 #90
It's like my brother said after all the laws passed after 911 treestar Apr 2015 #91
prosecutors are a huge problem marym625 Apr 2015 #93
Someone should form a party to address such things. n/t Orsino Apr 2015 #92
sad thought that the existing parties don't care. marym625 Apr 2015 #94
Kick qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #95
Thanks for the kick! marym625 Apr 2015 #96
To get anything done, even if it's the right thing to do Calista241 Apr 2015 #97
Unfortunately, there are many Democrats that support it too marym625 Apr 2015 #98
This military surplus equipment is not free. FrankAB May 2015 #99
Yes. marym625 May 2015 #100
Where to start? FrankAB May 2015 #101
Probably because there are about a zillion posts in GD marym625 May 2015 #102
Ok, thanks FrankAB May 2015 #104
Sorry for the delay marym625 May 2015 #115
Kelley Thomas FrankAB May 2015 #103
It's a horrible picture marym625 May 2015 #105
Don't call the police! FrankAB May 2015 #108
+1000 marym625 May 2015 #111
Kicking, all I've noticed is the hiring of more AuntPatsy May 2015 #106
Thank you! marym625 May 2015 #107
Eric Garner was another one FrankAB May 2015 #109
wow! marym625 May 2015 #112
Got to keep our powder dry. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #110
Sorry, I don't know what that means. n/t marym625 May 2015 #113
For the 2006 midterm elections, the Democrats ran on a platform Maedhros May 2015 #114
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