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In reply to the discussion: So What the Heck Did Greenwald Say at a Memorial Lecture for a Pro-Lyncher That's So Secretive? [View all]Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)21. He talked about how mass government surveillance is the antithesis of the 4th Amendment
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Glenn Greenwald, the lawyer and journalist who became a left-wing celebrity for his articles helping whistle-blower Edward Snowden expose the NSAs mass-surveillance program, admits enjoying the reaction when critics discovered he would be in North Texas to appear on Glenn Becks right-wing radio showand then to address the conservative National Center for Policy Analysis.
Talking Friday to about 250 people at a luncheon meeting of the NCPA, a Dallas think tank thats headed now by tea party hero Allen West, Greenwald said of the kerfuffle that was particularly created by his Beck appearance: I love it. He recalled trading barbs with people on Twitter who thought it was a terrible thing to do. But, he added, Ive made it a point to find common ground. I find thats a healthy thing to do.
In his talk to the NCPA, the former columnist for The Guardian newspaper said free speech and government transparency arent conservative or liberal ideals, but ones that citizen-activists on both sidesright-wing tea partiers as well as Occupy Wall Street leftistsbasically support. The split is not so much between conservative and liberal, but between insiders in Washington and outsiders in Washington, he said. And as Newt Gingrich noted back in the 1990s, Greenwald said, The mainstream view in the United States is that people do not trust the federal government.
Greenwald called the NSAs anti-terror surveillance program, which has collected and stored American phone-call records on a massive scale under the Patriot Act, the exact antithesis of the U.S. Constitutions Fourth Amendment, which protects citizens against unreasonable searches and seizures. He added that tyrants historically have favored surveillance by the state without probable cause, in part because it helps control dissent, creativity, and individuality in the private realm, leading to conformist societies.
http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2015/04/06/glenn-greenwald-in-north-texas-nsa-surveillance-program-is-antithesis-of-fourth-amendment/
Talking Friday to about 250 people at a luncheon meeting of the NCPA, a Dallas think tank thats headed now by tea party hero Allen West, Greenwald said of the kerfuffle that was particularly created by his Beck appearance: I love it. He recalled trading barbs with people on Twitter who thought it was a terrible thing to do. But, he added, Ive made it a point to find common ground. I find thats a healthy thing to do.
In his talk to the NCPA, the former columnist for The Guardian newspaper said free speech and government transparency arent conservative or liberal ideals, but ones that citizen-activists on both sidesright-wing tea partiers as well as Occupy Wall Street leftistsbasically support. The split is not so much between conservative and liberal, but between insiders in Washington and outsiders in Washington, he said. And as Newt Gingrich noted back in the 1990s, Greenwald said, The mainstream view in the United States is that people do not trust the federal government.
Greenwald called the NSAs anti-terror surveillance program, which has collected and stored American phone-call records on a massive scale under the Patriot Act, the exact antithesis of the U.S. Constitutions Fourth Amendment, which protects citizens against unreasonable searches and seizures. He added that tyrants historically have favored surveillance by the state without probable cause, in part because it helps control dissent, creativity, and individuality in the private realm, leading to conformist societies.
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So What the Heck Did Greenwald Say at a Memorial Lecture for a Pro-Lyncher That's So Secretive? [View all]
msanthrope
Apr 2015
OP
Hm. I wonder what overly-sensitive Glenn Greenwald supporters on DU have to say about this?
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2015
#1
Glenn hasn't posted it anywhere I can find. I really do want to read what he said about
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#13
Me, too. One thing we can safely gamble on is, it wasn't anything negative. He'd otherwise
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2015
#14
Hopefully someday the Greenwald and Snowden fans will realize they have been fooled.
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#7
If John Oliver's brilliant playing of Comrade Eddie didn't convince 'em, nothing will. nt
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#10
Nope. They'll spin it to make it sound positive, as one poster already has done here on DU. eom
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2015
#15
I thought it was pretty obvious there that Oliver was criticizing both the apathetic public and our
Marr
Apr 2015
#64
I think joshcryer explained it perfectly---Snowden fucked up when he involved Greenwald,
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#55
I could agree with that. He should have gone to an I.G. or to a white house deputy chief of staff or
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#57
I blame Greenwald on that point. He was a lawyer....he knew precisely the legal jeopardy Snowden
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#60
Greenwald definitely knew better but I'm not ready to say Snowden bears no responsibility
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#63
Well, as joshcryer, and Recursion, and I have all indicated, it's entirely possible that Snowden
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#65
If either of them had good intentions and were out for "the right thing" their actions would have
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#47
I love the legal fiction that Sumners was denied a SCOTUS berth because of his opposition to
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#12
Yet Hugo Black, who also opposed anti-lynching legislation and had belonged to the KKK, was chosen.
deurbano
Apr 2015
#34
Black was pro-New Deal. I wonder if the 'FDR Democrats' want to claim him as one of their
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#51
Black was anti-lynching legislation, but not pro-lynching. Sumners took it farther, justifying
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#62
Roosevelt actually did choose a Supreme Court Justice who was pro-lynching, someone who didn't
deurbano
Apr 2015
#92
Indeed...so I wonder if the self-described FDR democrats on this site appreciate
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#99
You're reporting on where GG is lecturing for Koch money and "hit job" is all they can come up with?
Cha
Apr 2015
#31
He talked about how mass government surveillance is the antithesis of the 4th Amendment
Cheese Sandwich
Apr 2015
#21
those are all libertarian values too. He never sticks his neck out to urge the government
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#72
Well, no, it's also his penchant for engaging in hysterical, shrill attacks against
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#75
"The mainstream view in the United States is that people do not trust the federal government"
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#80
I think you mistakenly assume I have some agenda to discredit his NSA revelations.
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#82
which is all fine and good, but understand there is considerable suspicion of him as far as where
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#97
Should be mentioned that Greenwald publically supported several progressive Democrats
Chathamization
Apr 2015
#100
Now he is sounding like Ted Cruz. This is one of Cruz' favorite things to say:
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#52
Except that many of his "revelations" have been refuted, and it actually does matter
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#24
I started an OP on refutations of Greenwald/Smowden claims. Result: zilch, nothing.
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2015
#25
An attorney should have a better grasp of the word proof and its usage.
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2015
#83
Out of all the speakers in this series-including James Carville, Romney, Netanyahu, Erskine Bowles,
Chathamization
Apr 2015
#44
Those people are wingnut Republicans. You're telling us GG is no different? nt
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#48
So it's all secret hush-hush what Greenwald was up to at the NCPA? If this were Hillary there would
Cha
Apr 2015
#32
Same reason I'm disgusted by anyone who's applied for a Fulbright scholarship
Chathamization
Apr 2015
#33
Well, the messenger does change the reporting. For example, Greenwald's reporting on Anwar Awlaki
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#58
I know what you mean. And Little Green Footballs?! Charles Johnson & his posters have been stalking
deurbano
Apr 2015
#93
I've never been to a memorial lecture when the lecturer did not mention the person being honored....
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#68
I find it funny that a talk on the NSA/Snowden wasn't mentioned by GG, and there are no
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#56