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kenny blankenship

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29. It was not JUST the "most informed" - the Congressional Budget Office numbers were KNOWN BY ALL
Fri May 4, 2012, 10:03 PM
May 2012

The CBO estimated a 1.5 trillion dollar hole opening up in GDP.
Obama knew it. Everyone in Congress knew it. Some economists might have heard that as well, but only a few like Krugman NOTICED it and drew the obvious conclusion. You can only hope to stop a deflationary spiral if the hole in GDP gets filled. Otherwise the destruction of credit continues.

A 800 billion dollar stimulus, half of which was composed of ineffective taxcuts was no rational response to THE FACTS presented to those in power. They chose very poorly to lowball everything. (Compromise! Moderation! Politeness!) And now we are supposed to listen to pathetic mewling excuses: oh but nobody coulda known then! Nobody had those numbers! (which, as already noted, is a BALD FACED LIE) Oh who coulda foreseen??? Who?

They were warned well in advance that there would be NO second bite at the apple. Krugman warned them. A bridge that is only half built across a gorge is no more useful than no bridge at all, he said. It won't work -and you won't get a second chance to make another installment if the first effort doesn't work. The failure of the first shot -which is mathematically guaranteed - will be used to prevent follow up efforts. I knew it too, and I'm no Nobel laureate economist. But of course that is a political not a strictly economic calculation. But if I can see that and Paul Krugman can see that, what explains the failure of the White House and the Hill Democrats to see it too?

Certain people whom we have elected are supposed to be adept at leadership and politically wise. We placed all our trust in them - as we had no other choice but to do. They have proved themselves to be at best FOOLS, or else -and this is way more likely- they are nothing more than cynical ideological weathervanes who go full-on Reagan-Thatcher when traditional Democratic policy preferences run into the SLIGHTEST resistance from big money donors.

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Why should you buy a ladder when you're already in debt from buying the shovel? Ian David May 2012 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author EOTE May 2012 #2
But the world's most respected economists said a taller ladder was needed from the start EOTE May 2012 #3
Correct. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #4
Well, at the time, they were working from faulty, out-of-date numbers LuckyTheDog May 2012 #6
Once again, the most informed of them KNEW a bigger stimulus was required. EOTE May 2012 #7
Agreed. Paul Krugman then...and again last night on MSNBC FailureToCommunicate May 2012 #8
It was not JUST the "most informed" - the Congressional Budget Office numbers were KNOWN BY ALL kenny blankenship May 2012 #29
Stiglitz' theory (in his magisterial 'Freefall') is that the Obama administration for reasons known coalition_unwilling May 2012 #30
Thanks for this information. EOTE May 2012 #32
Dean Baker was warning Obama in January 2009. EFerrari May 2012 #11
As soon as the Administration realized SCantiGOP May 2012 #13
Then they were very late to the party. EOTE May 2012 #15
yep, they're running the ad right now newspeak May 2012 #24
also, I'd like to ad, they're still claiming that lower taxes for the rich and infamous newspeak May 2012 #25
The stimulus, such as it was, actually DID work. We were coalition_unwilling May 2012 #31
yes, I remember that, now that you mention it. BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #16
Yep. But I keep forgetting... LuckyTheDog May 2012 #23
Good visual. But most of the country knew the economy was in much worse shape. MrTriumph May 2012 #5
Government always does less than what is needed abelenkpe May 2012 #9
The banks got their 15 foot ladder. progressoid May 2012 #10
EXACTLY. sendero May 2012 #27
Republicans would have the poor and middle class lie down in the hole JBoy May 2012 #12
Blame Obama LASlibinSC May 2012 #14
When the hole is full of water a 10 foot ladder is an insult. progressoid May 2012 #18
Well played! LASlibinSC May 2012 #20
Great explanation! Important too, bec. those who think the stimulus failed BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #17
The truth is the stimulus did fail as was predicted EFerrari May 2012 #21
actually the stimulus could not be called a failure newspeak May 2012 #26
They gave the BANKS a 15' ladder, and told us that they would pull us up once they were safe... Romulox May 2012 #19
Total BS: "The hole was deeper than anyone realized." cthulu2016 May 2012 #22
GOP Solution ThoughtCriminal May 2012 #28
Good analogy Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #33
I ask them 2 questions ... 1) Why is UE down to 8% from a high of 10%? ... JoePhilly May 2012 #34
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